I think this is such a clear flat pre, esp oop this deep when he´s that likely to continue. we´ll be oop in a bloated pot with a hand that doesn´t flop very well; we´re also not pushing much of an equity advantage, against a 40% opening range we´re basically 50/50. By flatting, we got a clear +EV play, and although it´s probably not that easy to realize our equity, I´m still fine with it. He´s no magician.

anyway, I think your read is way off. No even half decent player would play 88-JJ like this what in your opinion makes up the majority of his range; in my opinion, he´s got those hands close to 0%.
If he is really that good, he´s not b/folding any part of his value range, and you are probably even ahead against his bs-range. as played, c/c turn.

If he does goofy stuff and raises overpairs and pairs+ gs and stuff otf and continues with that ott, I guess shove is fine.

V Takes a minute and folds QQ face up.

small room?

Don't play back at supervillians out of position.

So the moral of the story is you got lucky villain turned QQ into a bluff. Nice hand I guess.

Hardly think raising the flop and betting half pot on turn with an overpair is “bluffing”.

On the turn he essentially turned his hand into a bluff. What hands does he put hero on that he's beating and getting value from after flop action?

Turns out we have way more fold equity than expected and therefore shove is v good!

Please put my name on the list.

Also pretty ******ed play if this guy is a pro

Folding is full ******ed.

Hopefully you showed A5 so the reg knows you have a fully balanced range here.

A5hh.

After this HH, I'd say this is not true.

It´s not a good thing to be capable of showing up with any 2...

Touche

Care to elaborate? How is check shoving a turn with a gutter and NFD not tricky and aggro? Despite it being "bad"

Because he folded QQ. Meaning your perception of what he thinks of you you is inaccurate.

I'm sure very few people ITT would feel comfortable taking QQ to the felt for 300bb. Seriously I don't. Against probably 95% of the player pool they face, even a perceived maniac. That deep it's just hard to chuck that much $$ in on a non improved over pair. If you got 3b pre raised the flop, got called, and then got check shoved on, how good do you feel about one pair against anyone?

Villain took a pot committing “playing for stacks” line and then decided not to play for stacks. He put in 43% of his stack and folded to a fairly wonky FOS line.

I am hard pressed to believe this is the best reg in the room, let alone a winning player based on how poorly he played this hand at multiple inflection points.

There is no arbitrary line in the sand where stacks become too deep to play with one pair. It’s a simple range vs range assessment and if you believe you are ahead of their range then all options are on the table.

Villain played this pretty terribly but b/f the turn was the biggest mistake.

+1K

Guy raised flop and bet turn w it against a somewhat capped range. Your pre bluffs got there but there aren’t many and you are extremely unlikely to play KK+ this way and have fewer sets. Anyone on the actual good player side of poker is at minimum cry-calling - that’s essentially the point of such a line. ‘Comfort’ has nothing to do with it when the pot is this big and it’s just a K more which is likely of little consequence to the player you described.

Ok, but what is my complete range here and how does QQ play against it. I have all sets some 2pair and could easily have AA and KK here. How is it extremely unlikely I 3b cbet flop and call a raise with AA and KK? That's exactly how it should be played, keep all his flop bluffs in, let him continue to press on the turn etc. just surprised people don't think I can have hands that crush queens preflop flop and turn.

Better yet, what does QQ beat against this checkraise on the turn besides my speicific hand. Obv I'm not doing this with overpairs less than queens. I get that I played the hand poorly by vheckrasing the turn, but flaming villain for not just sticking in 1500 with QQ here is mind boggling. And Johnny buzz, no there isn't a fine exact amount, but in real time, I'm wondering how often anyone that's posted in the thread has stuck 300bb in the pot unimproved facing aggression with QQ... At 1/2 2/5 or anything

Definitely didn't play it bad by taking this turn line imo.

Me or him? And why. Nobody in this thread thinks I played turn good