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2/5 <img ,300 effective, AKo facing 0 pf raise 2/5 <img ,300 effective, AKo facing 0 pf raise

06-11-2021 , 11:10 PM
I know I played this hand right, but wanted to present it from the villians point of view, and get your opinions if he did. So for this description, I'm actually "villain 1" and the villain is "hero"

Live 2/5

Hero, $1,800 mid 30's middle eastern dude, tons of gold bling. Just table changed to this 2/5 game 5 mins prior.

Villain 1, $1,300 early 30's white dude. Ball cap and hoodie, no reads haven't seen him play a hand in the 5 mins since I moved tables.

Villain 2, $500, 50's white guy, loose preflop, calls down with middle pair or better. (hero calls v2 by name, so I assume he knows how he plays)


Preflop

V2 ($500) straddles $10
UTG calls 10
V1 ($1300) calls 10
Hijack calls 10

Hero ($1800) otb raises $100 with AK
V2 ($500) calls $100
V1 ($1300) re-raises $550

Hero tank calls $550

My first question is, hero has no reads on Villain 1. $550 is a huge bet. However it does look like a squeeze. Is hero correct in calling $550? Would a raise all in be better? Or puke fold until hero has more reads onto how villain 1 plays?

Last edited by Mr.Jones; 06-11-2021 at 11:19 PM.
06-12-2021 , 01:09 AM
I'm giving V1, who is obviously a fish, credit for AA here since I have no reason to believe anything else since he is an unknown. Its sized like someone who is afraid to play jacks but I'll find a better spot since we're this deep
06-12-2021 , 01:25 AM
Jamming and feeling ok about it. People are much less likely to be nutted when they overlimp/rr than when they open-limp/rr. I'm not folding so high in my range vs. a FOS line and especially not to a 30-something in a hoodie.

If you're V1 you didn't play this hand right. No matter what you had $550 is poor sizing because it's committal with your entire range including pretty much any bluff that's strong enough to 3-bet in the first place. Also you better have a good reason to be limping.

If you're going to post a reverse HH don't tell anybody that it is a reverse HH. No one can tell the difference and it's not relevant to the hand, and the mods don't like them.

Last edited by browni3141; 06-12-2021 at 01:28 AM. Reason: Said "also" an annoying number of times
06-12-2021 , 02:58 AM
Can I hear your explanation on how you "know" you played the hand right...

And, if you're certain you played the hand right, why are you concerned about how button played his hand??

The majority of your value range shouldn't over limp for one, and shouldn't l/r as big as you did at the risk of folding out dominated range if you have AA/KK.

It's 130bb eff hand, if bu ships or call i'm fine with either.
06-12-2021 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
And, if you're certain you played the hand right, why are you concerned about how button played his hand??
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Because I want to know if we both played the hand correctly, and one of us got coolered, or if I earned "sklanksy bucks"

*150bb effective hand

Last edited by Mr.Jones; 06-12-2021 at 03:36 AM.
06-12-2021 , 03:28 AM
I just called the straddle, because I was almost certain I was going to be raised by said person in gold bling.

I popped it to 550, because even if gold bling player folds, I was almost certain V2 was going to stack off with his 500.
06-12-2021 , 03:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
Because I want to know if we both played the hand correctly, or if I earned "sklanksy bucks"
even vs JJ+/AK v has about 40% equity after your l/r. Should he just fold his equity pre when he's at top of his range and is blocking AA/KK?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
I just called the straddle, because I was almost certain I was going to be raised by said person in gold bling.

I popped it to 550, because even if gold bling player folds, I was almost certain V2 was going to stack off with his 500.

How were you certain button would raise?? villain just sat down 5 minutes ago, neither of you has reads on each other....

edit: if you have AA and button folds, you made a mistake and should care if he folds as I mentioned in my first reply.
06-12-2021 , 03:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by drowski
I'm giving V1, who is obviously a fish, credit for AA here since I have no reason to believe anything else since he is an unknown. Its sized like someone who is afraid to play jacks but I'll find a better spot since we're this deep
Genuinely wish I could mute you. I'm on this forum to learn and get better. Every time I've made a recent post, you talk shyt about my play. I'm sorry I'm not on "your level" I'm here to learn and get better. You don't need to be a trash can with your snide replies.

Last edited by Mr.Jones; 06-12-2021 at 03:45 AM.
06-12-2021 , 03:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Balerion1
How were you certain button would raise?? villain just sat down 5 minutes ago, neither of you has reads on each other....
He didn't have reads on me because I didn't play a hand. I had reads on him because he was quite aggro and splashy during those 5 mins. Combined with his attire, combined with how I could hear him yapping while he was at the next table over the previous hour, combined with how he was on the button, and all that dead money from people calling the straddle.

80% chance this dude was raising.
06-12-2021 , 03:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
He didn't have reads on me because I didn't play a hand. I had reads on him because he was quite aggro and splashy during those 5 mins. Combined with his attire, combined with how I could hear him yapping while he was at the next table over the previous hour, combined how he was on the button.

80% chance this dude was raising.
Got cha. Like some other players, I tend not to give too much (if any) credence towards attire, and jewelry or clothing. I think within 30-60 minutes you can develop solid reads and go from there.


And just to play devils advocate, bu could've just had a hand (or two) in the 5 minutes you watched him play.
06-12-2021 , 03:49 AM
So the consensus is, his call / shove @$550 with AKo is fine either way? I want to play for stacks with my hand, with either villain, what should I have used for better sizing?

I've grinded up a healthy roll @ 1-2 / 1-3 and recently started talking shots at 2-5.

So understand my sizing is used to being more exploitative from those games.

I'm still getting a feel for 2-5.
06-12-2021 , 03:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
So the consensus is, his call / shove @$550 with AKo is fine either way? I want to play for stacks with my hand, with either villain, what should I have used for better sizing?
If we are going for a l/r i'd raise to 375-425.... But, I would just raise pre and go from there. It's 130bb, you shouldn't have too much problem getting stacks in by turn/river if we iso UTG to 45-60 and button 3b or flats.

With his exact hand he's more likely to 3b pre and you can proceed from there.

Your sizing/line is mostly unbalanced and nutted, and as I said already, you're risking folding out button when you not only l/r but for the size you l/r to.

If button folds to your l/r and straddle still calls, tell me where this game is lol.

edit: since you are moving up and will face tougher competition in some spots, think about how your range plays instead of just one or two hands. A
06-12-2021 , 04:03 AM
It's 150bb effective, not sure where you're getting 130bb. $1300 $550 raise $750 left.

Yes, large chance straddle would have still stacked off if button folded. He was quite loose.
06-12-2021 , 04:08 AM
You start with $1300 and with the straddle the hand plays with a $10 BB. That is where people are getting 130 BBs.

I kind of want to know your hand...
06-12-2021 , 04:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Jones
It's 150bb effective, not sure where you're getting 130bb. $1300 $550 raise $750 left.

Yes, large chance straddle would have still stacked off if button folded. He was quite loose.
In this hand the blinds are 2-5-10. Your 1300 is the effective stack vs button that covers. Vs straddle it's 50bb eff if you and he are hu.
06-12-2021 , 04:12 AM
I guess need to do a better job of thinking in BB's instead of $.

For example in my comfort game 1/2. If it went $40, $40, I'd raise to $150 or so. Which in this situation would be $375, not 550. I guess i'm just not used to the sizing yet / scared money to a degree.
06-12-2021 , 08:11 AM
I'm locking this thread. LLSNL doesn't allow reverse hand histories for a lot of reasons, some of which some posters have already stated. See the rules for more information.
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