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03-21-2018 , 02:58 PM

mdelore

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V (btn): Loose, somewhat passive, saw limp Q7s in EP once. Kind of a slowplayer. Can bet small on river with hopeless hand.

H (CO): Nitty this session but probably V isn't paying attention.

V ($400) dealt K

raise to $12, V call, blinds fold

Flop ($30): K

H bets $19, V call

Turn ($58): T

H bets $48, V raises to $110, H thinks a little and calls

River ($278): 4

H checks, V bets $130 (leaving $40 behind), H?

I thought sizing was weird on river, leaving $40 behind like he wanted a call. Would like to know how others read that.

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03-21-2018 , 03:11 PM

shorn7

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Not sure on river bet sizing, but I probably just shove the turn here given V only has $170 left as you only really lose to two hands (KJ, 55) and the turn card has semibluff (K

especially) all over it.

AP, u can't fold IMO.

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03-21-2018 , 03:18 PM

snowman

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Not sure on river bet sizing, but I probably just shove the turn here given V only has $170 left as you only really lose to two hands (KJ, 55) and the turn card has semibluff (K

especially) all over it.

AP, u can't fold IMO.

looks like his AQ got there on the turn and he's begging for a call.
passive players don't raise non nut hands on the turn and bet river

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03-21-2018 , 03:20 PM

shorn7

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Originally Posted by snowman

looks like his AQ got there on the turn and he's begging for a call.
passive players don't raise non nut hands on the turn and bet river

Maybe, but that is an awful float on his part then.

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03-21-2018 , 03:53 PM

snowman

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Maybe, but that is an awful float on his part then.

OP labeled him as loose passive

floating $19 on the flop is cheap enough for a loose player

what would a passive player raise here with?

flush draw no
one pair no

so you gotta be behind

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03-21-2018 , 04:13 PM

Koss

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Puke fold against described player type. The turn could also be a puke fold. Assuming this line is value with 2 pair or better, and he doesnt play any of the 5x 2 pair hands, then you need better than 4:1 to call on the river hoping its JT or KT. Youre in slightly better shape on the turn, so I dont hate the call, but by the river you are pretty much toast vs his value range.

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03-21-2018 , 04:21 PM

browni3141

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Maybe, but that is an awful float on his part then.

If you fold AQ on this flop here I don’t think you can win at poker, or are you saying it should be raised?

AQo should have been 3-bet pre a lot but passive players will flat it. He probably has all 16 AQ combos on the turn.

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03-21-2018 , 05:24 PM

Phil Me Up

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Beside 16 AQ, I wager Villain has close 30 monsters total, & I can count maybe 10 hands we beat IF V semibluffs, otherwise just JT. By river were in even worse shape, as pointed out by others.

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03-21-2018 , 09:07 PM

Donat3llo

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Given he is passive im guessing he doesn't 3! JJ or AQ preflop. Which means he can have 12 set combos, 16 AQ combos, plus a couple KJ combos.

Hands you beat are worse 2pr, busted 1pr + FDs that were picked up ott and even that is marginal given they're passive.. It seems like his range is fairly weighted towards value hands atm.

Factor in your read of them being passive again, their raise coming ott, and large-ish but not all-in bet otr I suspect it's weighted even more towards value.

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03-22-2018 , 09:59 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by browni3141

If you fold AQ on this flop here I don’t think you can win at poker, or are you saying it should be raised?

AQo should have been 3-bet pre a lot but passive players will flat it. He probably has all 16 AQ combos on the turn.

Wow...no I win plenty at poker and most times folding AQ here is very reasonable. You only have 4 clean outs against a PFR as you cant be sure your Ace is good if it comes. Raising with it is borderline spew unless you are planning some elaborate 3 street bluff.

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03-23-2018 , 07:42 PM

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browni3141

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Originally Posted by shorn7

How do you expect to make money with this hand if you aren't going to float a 2/3 pot bet on a decent flop for you? Are you just hoping villain's will shovel money in every time you flop top pair? You'll be folding 2/3 of flops.

On this board you're folding quite a bit of your range as I'm assuming you're only calling with a jack or better, or QT. Your strategy is very easily exploitable by c-betting without any consideration of one's cards and shutting down without a hand when called. Even fish are aware of the concept of c-betting.

If you are playing post-flop this way you should probably not have a calling range pre-flop.

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