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10-15-2017 , 11:17 PM

DelusionalFish

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V is a 35-40yo man. I just sat at the table.

3bet pot, I cbet flop V calls, I cbet turn V raises.

I look at V and hes looking right back at me with a bored face. We lock eyes, im not the kind of guy who will try to get into a staring contest every hand like im a former FBI interrogation agent, but it amused me how over comfortable and casual he was so i kept staring at him, after 3 seconds he says: "If you keep staring at me like that, you are going to make me fall in love" I LOL, the table LOLs, the dealer has a huge smirk, V is still there with a bored face staring at me like he has done this 100 times.

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10-15-2017 , 11:19 PM

ILikeToParty

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Sounds like something I would say.............. holding a monster

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10-15-2017 , 11:31 PM

DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by ILikeToParty

Sounds like something I would say.............. holding a monster

Why would you ever act like this holding a monster.

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10-15-2017 , 11:34 PM

Garick

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Giving a speech (more than a couple of words) is usually a sign of strength, no matter what the speech is.

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10-15-2017 , 11:47 PM

DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by Garick

Giving a speech (more than a couple of words) is usually a sign of strength, no matter what the speech is.

I can see how the logic of that works. But i dont understand why a "thinking" player wants to be seen so comfortable and relaxed while holding a monster.

I have to stop myself from trying to look nervous after a big raise when im holding the nuts.

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10-16-2017 , 12:25 AM

About2NuT

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Knowing board texture would help with the analysis. As shared, V's line and physical response reads strong AF to me.

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10-16-2017 , 12:26 AM

ILikeToParty

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Seems like you have all the answers so why are you asking other people's opinions?

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10-16-2017 , 12:57 AM

DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by ILikeToParty

Seems like you have all the answers so why are you asking other people's opinions?

Don't get me wrong, i folded my hand rather quickly. Now im thinking his "act" was too rehearsed and he was maybe trying to level me. Since noone is arguing for it i do it.

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10-16-2017 , 01:32 AM

cicakman

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Perfect user name

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10-16-2017 , 01:33 AM

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DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by cicakman

Perfect user name

Thanks

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10-16-2017 , 12:16 PM

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gobbledygeek

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A ~middle aged Villain raised the turn in a 3bet pot.

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10-16-2017 , 01:17 PM

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ZuneIt

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gobbledygeek must play where all the middle aged men are hard working farmers, etc., who have a deep respect for their hard earned money. Age doesn't mean jack shytt where I play.

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10-16-2017 , 01:22 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt

gobbledygeek must play where all the middle aged men are hard working farmers, etc., who have a deep respect for their hard earned money. Age doesn't mean jack shytt where I play.

Fair enough, especially since the biggest whale in our game is actually a middle aged farmer.

The point I'm trying to make is that in general this isn't a remotely close decision (i.e. the only spot a "tell" *might* be the difference maker).

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10-16-2017 , 05:43 PM

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javi

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there's maybe 3 guys i've played with regularly enough to know they have the courage to bluff with confidence. Most of the time eye contact + speech = nuts. They're looking at you in anticipation of the big reveal, waiting to see you stick those chips in with the worst hand. They want to watch it unravel before their very eyes, like a gift being unwrapped on christmas. They're talking to you because they are supremely confident in their holdings and are relaxed enough not to sweat losing. Most people get nervous when they are on a bluff and probably couldnt even think of anything funny to say if challenged.

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10-16-2017 , 06:50 PM

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DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by javi

They're looking at you in anticipation of the big reveal, waiting to see you stick those chips in with the worst hand. They want to watch it unravel before their very eyes, like a gift being unwrapped on christmas..

I have seen more of V since then, and this fits the profile extremely well.

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10-16-2017 , 06:52 PM

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venice10

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Going back to the classic Caro "strong is weak, weak is strong," the villain is not trying to get you to fold. He's keeping it casual. Fold.

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10-16-2017 , 07:08 PM

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DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by venice10

Going back to the classic Caro "strong is weak, weak is strong," the villain is not trying to get you to fold. He's keeping it casual. Fold.

I dont want to be nitpicky but i think if we aply this here you would be arguing that hes bluffing. I think everybody here is agreeing that V looks confident and strong because he is indeed probably strong.

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10-17-2017 , 05:57 AM

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BackDoorFlush

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OP, in the future you might want to tell us what two cards you are holding, what the board is, what the stakes are, and effective stacks. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time.

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10-17-2017 , 08:17 AM

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HawkesDave

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

OP, in the future you might want to tell us what two cards you are holding, what the board is, what the stakes are, and effective stacks. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time.

Quite the opposite, actually. All the information you're asking for is irrelevant to the OP's conversation here as it would influence the answers here receives here regarding his actual question: "Does this physical response represent strength or weakness?"

He's not asking you for help with the hand itself. He's very specifically asking a question about a physical tell and wants an answer independent of what cards he holds and what the board reads.

Giving out the information you're requesting would serve no purpose but to dilute the answer he's seeking.

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10-17-2017 , 04:42 PM

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BackDoorFlush

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^^^Then it's posted in the wrong forum. There is a section called 'poker tells/behavior'.

Otherwise, what I'm asking for is relevant. Because V can be over playing his hand. If hero has AA on a 8642r board, V can think his KK/QQ is the nutz, so he raises the turn.

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10-17-2017 , 04:54 PM

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HawkesDave

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

I've been lurking here for the better part of the last decade and started posting sometime last year and never knew there was a poker tells/behavior subforum. I can't speak for the OP but it wouldn't surprise me if it was the same.

In any case, if OP describes the granular details of the hand it still dilutes the answers he's looking for, because it's too easy to look at the circumstance and tell OP whether the tell is strong or not just based on the way the hand developed. People would be bending the meaning of the tell to the cards/circumstances instead of judging it on its own merit.

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10-17-2017 , 05:14 PM

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DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

^^^Then it's posted in the wrong forum. There is a section called 'poker tells/behavior'.

Thanks! I didn't notice.

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10-17-2017 , 05:14 PM

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DelusionalFish

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Originally Posted by HawkesDave

People would be bending the meaning of the tell to the cards/circumstances instead of judging it on its own merit.

^This. I regret saying anything about the hand at all.

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10-17-2017 , 06:37 PM

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Nozsr

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Don't let the haters drag you down.

I found it interesting and it easily belongs here.

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10-17-2017 , 06:38 PM

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Steve00007

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I think villain could come across as confrontational there which increases the chances he is strong. And being comfortable enough to make a joke looks strong.

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