Hero - MP - Has a TAG image hasn't played many hands opened AK got two streets on a AK10xx board before same villain open folds JJ on river.
Villain - CO - 70 Year old fish, doesn't seem to fold top pair and chases to river.

Hero Dealt - 1010

UTG - Folds
UTG+1 ($320) - Limps ($4)
MP - Hero ($550)- Raises $21
CO - Villain ($400)- Calls
BTN ($300)- Calls
SB ($300)- Calls
UTG +1 - Calls


Flop

533

SB Checks
UTG + 1 Checks
Hero Bets $55
CO - Villain Raises $145
BTN Folds
SB Folds
UTG+1 Folds
Hero ???

Tough to fold against a garbage range, especially when it can include worse overpairs. I mean you could fold and wait for a better spot if you can really give him 3x and not 78hh (two "overcards" and a fd) but I don't think I would

Raises over 5x seems unnecessary esp when you get 4 callers. Raising to 15 gets you the same action and you are playing a smaller pot with a difficult hand to play post flop.

As played I probably just flat the flop, really tough to fold imo.

I'd fold unless I had a read that he would play a 5 or an overpair this poorly. I really don't expect a 70 yr old man to raise with a flush draw here very often especially if he is a guy that likes to chase. Also, old guys tend to like to flat pretty strong pre rather than 3bet.

If you are going to go with your hand then just raise all-in because it's unlikely that villain is folding and there are a lot of scare cards that could hit the turn.

Villain raised enough he is pot committed unless he is on a pure bluff, and stack sizes make your options are shove or fold. Your description implies villain is a loose/passive chaser, not an aggressive villain. If that is the case, then I fold. If villain does have a draw then it's probably a pretty good one, a flush draw with two over cards or a combo draw. There is not much else villain is going to raise here unless he hit this flop hard, some over pairs to the board, but at least a few of those beat you anyway. If you think villain is aggressive enough to raise here with low flush draws then shoving isn't bad, but it seems unlikely here.

Easy fold against the described player.

Not sure what the average raise at your table is but 5+ the bb is healthy and we don't have much info on his pre-flop calling range. The question is did he flat with JJ-QQ or something lesser like AK, 99,88 etc. This type of raise for a chaser is alarming and out of character. It's a tough spot, I'd probably fold.

I know that we said this guy a a chaser, but even still, I can't find a fold here.

I'm assuming that he would 3bet KK+ here.
If we give him a pretty tight range of 77 - QQ, A3s, 55, and 33.
We are still 48% against that range.

If he ever has AhXh or other similar hands where his kicker is less than our T, or if we think that he won't raise with quads on the flop, then it pretty hard to justify not jamming it in here IMO.

I agree all those hands are in his calling range but not sure he pops the flop huge with weaker overpairs. I agree its close, just because fish have a tendency to spazz out randomly when their mid pp suddenly becomes an overpair. I probably fold here because I'm weak but i don't think getting it in is a huge mistake. Old men are sometimes stubborn and hate getting "pushed around" and may pick a horrible spot like this to take a stand with 66.

Prolly folding

In my experience old men can and will flat AA pre, his action is a direct contrast to your read, which is not usually a good thing. I'm sheepishly folding here and apologizing to the old man for taking some of his precious few last seconds away from him

I'd go the other way actually, if 21 gets 4 callers, what does 25 get? 30? I don't want to play hands I open from EP against 4-6 people, so I'd start finding a bigger opening bet to weed out people.

Gutshot + underpair in previous HH doesn't tell a lot imo. But I guess it goes both ways since there's no merit to assuming he would raise with a draw. Like someone mentioned above, if we fold and he ends up having 5x I would lose my sh*t

This looks like a 3 afraid of the flush draw.

Loose passives are very rarely raising 88 or similar on this type of board. Fold.

Thanks for the info guys, well my read was that he doesn't raise the flop with a 3x/55. It felt like a draw or just some weird 5x hand. I decided to shove and he snapped me off with KK it sucks but I don't think my play was THAT bad. I felt as though I could get value from fd/oesd/pp (66-99)/tptk as I don't think he ever folds those hands and just on the way his been playing I could see him taking a stand with me considering I was c-betting 100% and most fish just always put you on ak.

If he does that with KK he probably does that with 66-99, 5x some of the time as well.

Old guys play so weird. One time an old guy called straddle in sb (first to act, btn straddle) with JJ, I raised utg with TT, he shipped and I called. Dafuq

Props to those who suggested folding while putting him on a monster pp, not 3x

I don't agree. There are players that play like that but these senior citizens are generally not them. This guy is old but he's probably not completely brain dead and he's not an aggressive player. Old players like to flat big pocket pairs to make sure an ace doesn't come out. If he has a hand like 66 or 77 I think he is most certainly just flatting on the flop. I don't think he is just thinkin: "Yaye, I have overpair must get it in." He realizes that as the preflop raiser, it's likely that we have an overpair as well.


I have never played with a button straddle and don't fully grasp the hand history (or why it was weird) but I've seen plenty of weird hands from old guys. There was one hand where UTG raised big and got 6 callers and the big blind was an old guy with AA and he was last to act and just flatted. I saw a middle aged guy limp QQ on the button in 5/10 after 3 limpers 7 handed.

i'm folding - if he is bluffing good for him - you really can't call here when your note on him is a passive player. They just don't raise. This is an EZ fold if your note is passive player - put that with the fact that was multi way - and there ya go.

Try and get him to show if possible - and if he shows you a bluff you can adjust. You could theoretically call for info if you plan on playing with this player for a while but if not just fold and move on.


even if you are ahead - he could have 2 overs and a flush draw - or A4 of hearts or something stupid like that. Not sure why you would want to call this off - unless the guy is a lunatic or a good reg i'm folding this every time.