Hey guys, played this hand today at 2/4, first excursion playing and I wanted some feedback on my hand.

100bb eff stacks.
Villain 1 is a young reg, currently in the cutoff, seems quite loose in LP, raises a lot and seems quite in love with premium aces. Recently tanked folded for about 3 minutes with AQs when a tilted player shoved his last $30, v1 flats, then a recent addition to the table reshoves for 235 and says "isolation".

Villain 2 OTB very loud, been at the table for maybe 2 orbits, big character, seems to play a lot of pots IP with marginal holdings, doesn't like folding to 3bs.

I'm in the BB with KK

3 callers, v1 raises to $23, v2 flats

I raise to $65.

Everyone folds, v1 folds, v2 calls.

Flop AQ8

I check because I think although villain can have a lot of Aces in his range, he can also bluff a lot here and fold to a c/r.

Villain bets $70.

I think for about a minute and shove.

Thoughts?

Bet fold >>>>>> check/shove.

Although both are worse than check fold.

b/f. Stop the fps.

PFR too small. $85 better.

I don't mind your flop line at all. I might be inclined to c/c the flop and lead the turn for pot.

I'm not usually b/f KK with 100bb stacks.

if he's bluffing you don't want him to fold. He's probably calling w/ all of his Ax hands or better and he's probably folding everything worse that being said. 2 orbits is tough to gauge a true image on someone unless they are playing every hand. How do you know he doesn't like to fold to 3bets? Have there been multiple 3bets in the 2 orbits he has been there? This is a tough spot but if you can put him on a pretty wide range otb and a wide range vs a 3b ip then you should be in call down mode to let him continue w/ his bluffs but against an unknown as i think he may actullay be i am probably b/f.

Cheers for the replies guys, I just felt that c/c was too weak and c/f was too tight.

More pre.

If c/shipping isn't getting him off Ax, then isn't c/c better?

Raise more preflop.

This. Are you turning KK into a bluff here? If you think you are ahead, just c/c. Otherwise fold, if I'm reading this correctly, you are min raising when you shove (100bb effective, right?). You are not deep enough to credibly bluff here in order to make LLNLHE players fold an A rag.

i would c/call one street, just make sure to balance it out with AK sometimes.
if OP would never check AK which i don´think he will honestly, he should b/decide.

but OP managed to find the worst possible line postflop, might as well overbet 3bet shove.

OP, is there any other hand you would play this way? what exactly are you representing by c/shoving?

What hand range are we putting villain on here once he bets flop?

I need a read to not play exploitably here. So far our read is villain calls too much pre. Nothing about villain being bluffy or loose post-flop.

V2 flatted the 2B. He then flatted Hero's 3B. This plus the descriptions means his range is very wide here. Villain as described is certainly capable of betting with KQ, KJ, QJ, QT, JT, A-x.

He could be spazzing out with a hand like 98, T8, 99 since Hero checked the flop.

Hero has 23% equity currently. If Hero is committing to the pot, then I'm fine with calling the flop bet and getting it in on the turn.

ETA: This is a great example of where Villain's bet sizing is terrible. It doesn't price out any draws that Hero might have, and it doesn't sufficiently punish 2nd best type hands (AQ vs AK, Ax vs. KK, 88 vs KK). Villain should have bet 3/4 to 4/4 pot.

I do wonder how the OP miraculously has that read after 2 orbits. He will bluff and then fold to a c/r? How did he figure this out in 20 hands?

For me, the biggest read is that V2 flatted the 2B and 3B preflop. I'm not giving this guy credit for much.

I agree with that but Ax is probably a decent chunk of that range.

And I still don't see how we miraculously know he bluffs here with hands like QJ, JT, 88.

At the time it seemed like a way better idea, I'll admit. I probably should have just thought a bit more and made a less aggressive play but I think I was a bit reluctant to let go of the hand.

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm not stepping around the issue, I realise I did make a big error here.

Basically what I did here was totally leave villain out of a decent range and pretty much just put him on a range that I beat, the c/r wasn't a value bet, more of a bluff to get him off his weak Aces and take the pot there.

Thanks for the feedback.