Hey guys im not sure about this hand i played in a local casino.

We're playing 9-handed.
Table is fishy.
UTG is kinda bad reg who limp folded earlier and paying way to much with
draws and mediocre hands (Got me covered).
UTG+1 is and old guy who never raises(Got me covered).
MP is bad passive fish who plays scared money if pots get bigger but hes calling way to much pre. Also saw him limp fold earlier(Got me covered).
I'm CO. Stack is 410$.
Behind me on the BTN is the only other solid semi-regish player(200$ Stack).
SB is spewy passive fish(Got me covered).

Action:

UTG straddles to 8$. MP calls. Folded to me. I raise 50$ with Ac2c because UTG and MP are bad and limp folded earlier. BTN calls. SB calls. BB folds. UTG calls. UTG+1 calls. MP calls.

Flop: 4h5c6c

SB leads 80$. UTG calls. UTG+1 calls. MP raises to 200$.
Now its my turn and im not sure what to do here. Im pretty sure that SB and MP are strong but can i ever fold here? I guess with these odd theres like no way to fold. But what should i do here? I could raise all in to 360$ or just call to keep more guys in.

And lets say i called and BTN calls and SB calls. Turn is 6h.
Is there any action that you would fold against then on that turn. ( I guess i cant ever fold with these odds no matter what the action is or can i?)

Would like to hear some thoughts.

shove flop. You're not folding, and you're committed to going all the way, so stick it in. Maybe you buy an out or two.

You got into this mess buy building a small SPR with A2s. But you got bailed out with a pretty strong flop, so let's go hit our flush.

PS: Anyone like just calling the straddle pre?. I realize you said you were hoping for folds, but this table sounds like it will pay off big with a flush if you hit one anyway, so toss in your 2BB and play some bingo.

Preflop: Overlimp. Yes, you saw MP limp/fold, but you also have seen him put too much $ in preflop with poor hands. Furthermore, you only have nominally more than 50x the straddle. With such a short stack this is not the spot to bloat the pot with a speculative hand.

Flop: As played preflop, call. The pot is way too big to fold, and by raising you might shut out worse draws from overcalling. Normally just calling for over 1/2 your stack is not a good idea, but this is an exception.

As for your hypothetical you'd be a minimum of 8 1/4: 1 depending upon how many people are left in the pot. Even though that's just about the worst possible turn card the price you are getting is just too large. Call if bet into. Otherwise check behind.

Just my opinion...

This used to be one of my biggest leaks, I would get tunnel vision and focus solely on the bad players which would make me overvalue marginal cards and make ******ed value raises which you are doing here.

In poker, the scale will slide back and forth between direct odds and implied odds. A hand like Ac2c is an IMPLIED ODDS HAND. What i mean is that we want the best implied odds we can get so we can correctly draw, hit our draw, and THEN turn those implied odds into tangible direct odds by prison raping our villains and overflushing someone for stacks.

When you raise $50 pre, you completely decimate your implied odds which is like shooting yourself in the left testicle with a pellet gun...

Dude, how in the world can you raise $50 preflop with Ac2c and then be in this situation and say, "I'm not sure what to do here."

Dear god, this is the easiest shove in the world. Shove, hope you hit, if you miss reload.

Its a very simple odds calculation. Calculate what you need to be getting on your money to be mathematically correct in calling for a flush draw here.

Seriously, google "poker pot odds" and figure out what you need to getting odds wise to be correct in shoving.

I would never make it to this turn WITHOUT being all-in on the flop. To just call the flop is horrible scared fish poker.

Lastly, I'm not trying to be mean, I just want to give you the truth so that you can improve your game, and the truth is you played this hand more or less like a fish.

You need to study pot odds and basic equity. Also, I suspect that you don't have poker stove. Do a google search for poker stove and download it, its free. Then as an exercise plug in your hand and input various ranges for your villains and then see how you fair equity wise on the flop. You will notice that you will have roughly double the equity on the flop as you will have on whiffed turns. This is why you want to get the money in on the flop where you have the largest equity advantage. This is a principle of winning poker. That is, you want to get more money into the pot while you have the most equity.

The fact you are asking basic questions and your thought process isn't quite right just leads me to believe that you have massive gaps in your fundamental understanding of very basic poker principles.

Becoming a winning poker player involves some study and work.

Read up on pot odds, equity, direct odds, implied odds and get to the point where you can calculate what you need in this spot to make a profitable shove.

GL

Thanks for the replies.
Actually im a winning player online and live and I know played this hand poorly preflop.
And i have still some leaks live because im so used to not limp by playing online.
Im not sure but i guess against these guys i should def consider limping here.
I was a little bit on tilt by getting sucked out by MP 2 hands earlier.
I have Pokerstove and use it frequently.
I never really considered folding on this flop but my main point was if i should just call or push all in. I know AllinEV wise its prob the best to shove the flop while we have still good equity. Its def a +EV play. But im thinking of just flating here could be more +EV because i can keep in some weaker hands like 67 who are getting crazy pot odds to call and other draws which dont scare me.

Indeed i ended up shoving here and got called in 3 spots from BTN, SB and MP.
Turn 6h both SB and MP checked river was 4c. SB moved all in. MP Tank-folded 78o and Sb showed 4d5d. BTN had KingHigh Flush.


Nevertheless thx 4 your advice/opinion.