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08-27-2013 , 10:36 AM
Hero is 25 tag asian $400
Villian is 25 white just lost a big pot and slightly tilted. $400
Villian has been raising preflop 20%.

Prior history:
8 handed table.
Villain open raises 20 from HJ and hero 3bets to 50 with ATo from CO
Everybody else folds, Villian calls
Flop K72
Villian checks
Hero cbets $50
Villian calls
Turn K727
Villian checks
Hero checks
River K727T
Villian bets 85
Hero folds

This hand comes up about 10 minutes later
8 handed
4 limpers
Villian raises button to $15
Hero in SB 3bets KQo to $50
Limpers fold
Villian calls

Flop $110
J62 rainbow
Hero cbets $50
Villian raises $150
Hero shoves All in $350

Need villian to fold at least 50% to be profitable. Villain reps nothing when he raises J62. Based on prior history (he knows i cbet with air) and the fact that villian is tilted from losing big pot earlier, his hand is heavily skewed towards airball bluff.

Jam standard?

Last edited by HappyLuckBox; 08-27-2013 at 10:45 AM. Reason: Kn
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08-27-2013 , 10:52 AM
I wouldn't stay standard, seems OK to me... Kinda wish he wasn't tilting but w/e

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08-27-2013 , 11:04 AM
I mean, you pretty much only rep QQ+ so he's gonna call with 2 pair+ so you don't have a huge amount of equity if called.

I think I would probably prefer a call and then a lead on the turn. You could keep a little bit behind and that would look a lot less bluffy than a 3bet/3bet. It's about the same price and seem like a more value line. Are you really ever doing this with AA? I don't think so, and villain might feel the same way and decide to hero call you with a pair. Is he ever calling if you 3bet, call a raise, and then bet turn, with <2 pair especially when he knows you really can't fold river? Even if he is tilting that's a super spewy call.
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08-27-2013 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Raidion
I mean, you pretty much only rep QQ+ so he's gonna call with 2 pair+ so you don't have a huge amount of equity if called.

I think I would probably prefer a call and then a lead on the turn. You could keep a little bit behind and that would look a lot less bluffy than a 3bet/3bet. It's about the same price and seem like a more value line. Are you really ever doing this with AA? I don't think so, and villain might feel the same way and decide to hero call you with a pair. Is he ever calling if you 3bet, call a raise, and then bet turn, with <2 pair especially when he knows you really can't fold river? Even if he is tilting that's a super spewy call.
He has absolutely no 2 pairs in his range

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08-27-2013 , 01:39 PM
First I think preflop is horrible. 3betting with a KQo with 4 people behind is pretty bad. Just because he is tilting doesn't mean we have to try and play a pot with him. If he truly is tilted we can just wait a hand till will have position on him. Plus how do you know for sure he is tilted? Many players loose big pots with out being tilted.

When you say he reps nothing when raising flop I disagree. He could be raising with tptk, over pairs, and sets. I think this is just FPS and isn't really profitable at this level IMO. Also last time he just floated you so why is he raising now?

I honestly just fold pre.
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08-27-2013 , 08:25 PM
The thing with tilted people is you don't really wanna bluff them, as they are just more likely to go with a hand. Plus he knows you were FOS the last time you 3 bet him. After your raise the pot is what 610 and it costs him 200 to call, so I doubt you have any fold equity. Oh, and you are asian.
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08-27-2013 , 11:51 PM
Why are you repeatedly 3betting this guy light? Is he opening wide?

On J62 in a 3bet pot, his raise does seem a little suspect. IP, he shouldn't have trouble getting stacks in if he truly has a set. Raising AJ here would be weird although sometimes people do it. He still reps very little, so I don't mind the bluff. I like donking the turn better but your shove isn't bad.
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08-28-2013 , 01:18 AM
Why exactly did you fold river in hand 1??
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08-28-2013 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FLRainmaker
Why exactly did you fold river in hand 1??
What's his range for calling a 3bet pre, calling on that flop and value betting the river?

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