Hero (525): New table not much going on

V (600): Same deal. Saw him fold AK to a 25bb punt pre and also act aggressive with 25dd and a combo draw. MAWG

OTTH

Utg straddles 8; fish in UTG+1 limps; hero raises to 40 with JJ UTG+2 (Didn't consider suits in my play so idk); v in mp calls straddle calls UTG calls

Flop (160): Ac 8h 2c
Checks around

Turn (160): 7h
Checks to Hero who bets 65. V calls and rest fold

River (290): 3c
Hero checks V bets 120 Hero folds

Experimenting with sizing; turn bet OK? Fold on river too nitty?

Check the turn. Betting JJ 4-way with an A on board is way too thin.

AP, fold.

I like the check on the flop as there's a decent chance one of the 3 other players has an A. I also like the bet on the turn as the V in MP that is last to act would probably bet the flop if he had an A. When the other 2 V's check the second time I believe our hand is best and I'm betting to get value from the 2 possible flush draws. You have to be good on the river about 23% of the time so sometimes I would call and sometimes I would fold. It all depends on whether I think V is capable of bluffing with missed hearts or a hand like like T9s, 65s, or some other random junk. You mentioned that V had 52dd in another hand so I think all of these hands could be in his range.

Turn seems fine.

I'd call river, both flush draws bricked and straight draws missed, and an A should have bet the flop at a good frequency.

I think you can either call or fold the river with similar equity. Maybe our overt display of weakness has encouraged him to bluff enough for us to snap him off; maybe it hasn't. Can't really tell without better reads.

I hate the turn bet. It makes our hand look like exactly what it is, while offering three opponents 3.5:1 to draw on a board with two different flush draws and two connected cards right in the middle of preflop calling ranges. I hope V's at least bought us a beer for turning our hand up and sweetening the pot.

I guess I sorta get experimenting with different sizes (though I find it cheaper to do that with analysis rather than actual money on the table), but I think this just really isn't the place to run a trial.

I'd rather turn our hand into a bluff OTF or just x/f every street.

Not really. There's two separate flush draws and a number of straight draws and a number of 2 out and 5 out pair holdings out there. If somebody had an ace we'd have found by the time the action gets to us on the turn. I would have sized up just a little, $90-110 or so.

River seems like a call. All the draws bricked except the 54 double gutter (which he could have in either suit), but aside from those he doesn't have many value hands that can bet river here that played his hand this way.

There's a flush on the board to those saying every draw missed. I also don't recollect the exact runout. I'm sure of the A, 8, 3 and there were no more broadway cards, so there's a busted straight draw somewhere.

I would play AA this way maybe, but that's not a lot of strong combos though I try to do a bet sizing balancing act for better or worse. I didn't think I would get c/r often against these weak opponents, but if I did I could just jam right? It's quite clear no one has a made hand, except maybe a weak A trying to get to showdown or like a turned set or something. About the sizing I don't think it's bad to give our opponents good odds for a draw they may or may not have when our hand is weak so I'd like to hear more. Kind of just trying to carve a path to winning the hand instead of almost always losing it.

By the way, how do we feel about <1/2 PSBs in general in really bloated pots like this one. Is it just wasted on fishy llsnl opponents and missing value? Opponents seem to react to the large $ amount of 1/2+ PSBs and fold a lot, but I don't really feel comfortable using that to cbet bluff a lot into 3-5 opponents.

Didn't see the club on mobile. Not knowing the actual cards complicates the matter so in lieu of recent information probably leaning closer to fold.