Hand 1: V only has 2 orbits at table but has been actively opening mostly all hands from MP&LP for 7-12x. Post flop either goes aggro, or gets passively sticky. 1 showdown revealed him pf raising w/ T8o.

CO & BTN limp to V in SB who raises $42, Hero wakes up to AK in BB. CO & BTN would have raised pf w/ any sort of value hands. I'm not concerned about them continuing. Eff stacks $285. I'm torn between raising ~$150 and getting it in OTF or just shoving pf. 1st hand V has seen me enter. WWYD?

Hand 2: Same V, but later in the game. Pf range still wide. Post flop reads... will get super aggro against other passive players, but mostly has been battling another ATC gambler in raised pots w/ garbage. Likes testing all weakness, but he's not maniacal. He's folded several hands OTR after trying to win OTT w/ barrels, donks and re-raises. Has shown up to showdown to win & lose w/ A high and mid-pairs (along with random luckbox draws).

I'll post results of H1 as it seems relevant to this hand and won't really spoil the strat I'm looking for... I raised to $145, he called. Flop came Q73r. He shoved 97o into me. I called and he took my stack w/out seeing my holdings. (Not that it'd be hard to guess).

$325eff, V in UTG+1

1limp, V limps, 3rd consecutive limp. Hero AQ raises $35, only V calls.

Flop: $75

AT3 rainbow.

check, check. I elected to C b/c I know V could fold. The flop is super dry. We have a blocker to a gutshot and possible KQ/QJ in V's range. I figured it'd be better to let this guy spazz his entire range.

Turn: J (still rainbow)

V bets $60, I call.

River: $194

A

V bets $100, H calls. Is call OK, or shove for value? Since I assumed his range would be mostly bluffs, I figured I'd only get called by a random FH. Should I have considered lower pairs or weaker kickers that might pay me off?

Hand 1 is fine. I'd be raising here fairly wide, so I wouldn't think only AK is losing there, but considering most Vs aren't very bright and assume everyone has AK, they get to the right conclusion through the wrong method.

Hand 2: by checking flop, we have to call turn and really can't raise. I'm not sure I like the check otf or not. I understand why you did it and it's probably an ok alternative line. But because of flop and turn play we're really hamstrung OTR. We're never shipping here with very much other than a FH or a really strong A. If V has a fold button we really can't ship here, IMO.

H1: Repop it to $150. Played fine especially if one of the flop cards was a spade.

H2: Also played fine. I would shove the river for value. No way villain folds worse Ax.

I would shove on both hands.

On Hand #1, we are pot committed either way, so I'd rather just get the money in now. We have a strong but vulnerable hand and frankly I'd probably rather just pocket the $50 and not see a flop. And a player like this might very well feel "committed" with any two suited Broadway cards.

On Hand #2, if this villain binks a full house on us here, so be it. Not many full houses in his range - what hand is he limping with and then boating up with on this river? 33? Your hand is underrepped. He is never folding any Ace here and might well call with KJ.

Hand 1 dump it in pre-flop, it's a massive raise and he's a fish, if he likes his hand he will call if not, he folds and you collect a ton of dead money for not seeing a flop where you wont hit very often.

Just now saw results of hand, yeah not sure it changes my mind.

I don't know whether I want to check flop or bet flop, either one is not bad. Both will extract value, checking allows a lot of spazz on turn from worse.

I prefer the check honestly.

I just call his river bet, nothing other than an Ace is calling and he doesn't have many in his range.

I don't think weaker pairs are calling you. Simply because you can have KQ here, Ax and maybe even a slow played TT and or turned JJ. I think all his hands that you beat don't call river except Ax and not enough Ax in range.

If I was the other maniac who had history with V, I like shoving over his bet on river.

V is willing to call a 3! With 97o, why on earth would you want to push him out of the pot by shoving?

Both hands seem pretty terrible I think.

H1 seems like a fairly obv jam pre, just getting him to fold off his equity is a fine outcome with AK when he's already put in 15% of effective stacks. Your equity vs hands he's going to fold will usually be like 65% so you're not winning any more by trying to reel him in or w.e. I would probably 3b small or trap with like TT+ but AK isn't the hand for it.

H2 flop is dry and is obv better for you, the check looks suspicious if you're not going to then give up in the hand. Just bet like 25-35$ with most of your range and force him to try make moves, you can still get stacks easily that way. AP it's still pretty much a fist pump GII vs a maniac for only $100 more...

Are these PF sizings std in your game?

First hand is fine as played.

Hand 2: Bet the flop! However, since you checked the flop and just called the turn, gii on the river.

Did not realize it was so little left on river, yeah I jam river.

I didn't realize that either. Yeah, ok, jam river is ok on hand 2

First, at the time, we didn't know he would call a 3bet with 97o. That's pretty ridiculous.

Also, if he is calling a 3bet with 97o, once he has put $42 in the pot, it's very likely he is going to call a shove with any suited Broadway cards (including dominated Aces) or even hands like 109 suited.

Keep in mind, with AK suited we are about 60/40 over J10 suited. We are only 65/35 over 97o. I have no problem with Villain folding and we scoop an easy $50.

if we don't know he's going to call a 3! with 97o, how are we ever going to find out if we're shoving all the time?

are you shoving here with AA?

IME, when i tend to see overbet shoves pre, its basically always AK/AQ, it's rarely QQ+. i'd rather keep our range wider (yet not as wide as our V), so when he open ships this flop, i could have a Q, i could have an PP, I could have 2 live cards, but thats just me.

Yeah, but 63% of effective stack > $50, like 3.5x greater. The question comes down to fold equity. If he'd only play for stacks w/ too shy of a range, a 3x raise makes more long term.

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You have to take into account how often and how much you lose right? In that spot scooping 17ish BB knowing villain made a mistake and will fold a high % of the time freely is a good thing. Plus bs this type of super bad player he will take it personally and be that mych closer to spazzing against you soon?

the other thing to take into account with hand 1, re: shoving vs 3!:

we're never folding regardless of flop and we're always getting our money in if he doesn't shove.

if he calls this 3! with 97o, he's calling with various other crap hands. how many times does he fold flop when he misses, which will happen a lot? we're never folding, so it doesnt matter if we miss, we always realize our equity.

we're effectively freerolling him to the flop in a spot where we have way more equity than he does.

i think trying to pick up < 20 bb is sort sighted and results oriented.

now if we know he'll call a 3! shove with 97o... shove away...

I apologize for not continuing. Assuming stacks go in no matter what, we make more OTF. The $179 from the wins and -$105 from the losses comes out to +$74/24.7BB .

Again, you are being results oriented. At the time we didn't know he would call with a hand as bad as 97o. We did know he was loose and likely would call a 3bet or shove fairly light.

Without knowing that, I'd be happy to shove and see if I can get him to fold out hands like 66 that we are flipping with or other hands we are only a marginal favorite against, and scooping $50 without variance.

Honestly, there is not a big difference between the 3bet and the shove in this situation. We can agree to disagree here.

The second hand is more important, and I really like shoving the river to get max value.

Wow people are really talking about balance vs a guy who raises 14x with 97o from the sb.

Shove pre hand 1.

Hand 2 why the **** would you check? Bet every possibility vs this kind of villain. Shove river

if you're scared about flipping for 100bb, you should move down in stakes. i'm perfectly happy 100% of the time with V calling w/ 66 or any other hand that we are flipping against.

it's only the same if V calls with 97o or any hand like that. if he folds those hands we pick up only 20bb, as opposed to the way more we win on average by him calling a 3! and then either folding the flop or GII OTF and losing

Good grief. No one is "scared" of a flip. I simply said I'm perfectly happy if Villain folds and we scoop an easy $50. Or they can call, likely from behind. Either way we are in good shape. Are you even reading what I write?

Again, let's just agree to disagree with this one. Time to move on.

Playing vs guys who open this big pre-flop, you'll find they like to gamble 87s all-in pre-flop. Look out after they double up, it's not the same usually, it's wide, just not as wide. You can non all-in 3b for value wide, but not jamming all-in pre-flop the same, as you push out too much once they double up.

H1:

I'd probably ship it preflop simply because raising to create a PSB shove on the flop puts us in a slightly awkward situation where we can make a mistake if SB shoves first when we whiff. I'd actually be cooler with a raise to setup a flop shove if we were OOP (and thus always get to shove the flop first). I grunched this before reading results, but this was my concern as I sometimes might make the wrong move here (folding the best hand or calling off with the worst of it).

H2:

Love the big preflop raise, nice.

I also like our postflop thinking on this fairly dry board. So I'm cool with the flop check.

Board is getting far more drawy on the turn and there will be a decent amount of scare cards on the river. I might just ship the turn now (especially if he's incapable of folding a draw). But I certainly don't hate the idea of continuing to let this guy hang himself, but just get ready for some tough river calls on scary cards.

I'm shipping the river. He won't be able to fold an Ace (and since he's ATC it's not as if he's limited to AK/AJ/AT, and it's unlikely he opened limped with these hands or pairs).

GimoG

If we raise, it's to create a 1/2 PSB shove. We have 285, bet 150, so pot will be ~$300 w/ $135 left. We'll have a SPR of <0.5

If that's the case, we're obviously never folding, so it's probably fine.

Geither/or,imoG