Against a generic bad LLSNL profile, Villain has lots of lol 9x in his range and a triple barrel for value looks good to great here.

Here, we're supposed to assume 6 combos of 9x and Villain won't x/r them on the turn. Yet CLEAR bet is being argued.

1/3 of his 9x is open ended on the turn, 1/3 has a gut shot. Our perceived range should include some/plenty of two overcard hands. Villain knows we can b/f and doesn't x/r the turn?????

So, I guess we've narrowed it down. Villain can only be holding J9s here. Blast the river hero, NH.

After reading all responses, I don't want to open a can of worms with the range you provided, but Id like to know why are you are removing TT/JJ from a tighter/taggish V OOP calling range with a fish between?? Its a debatable play, but quite common ime even from non-nits in the 1/3-2/5 space.

Clearly, V didn't show up here with that given range provided, but once V ck-c 60 on the rainbow turn, Id have a hard time not rethinking things given he should never be ck-c PFR twice with <A9 ever. I'm ck back this riv 100% of the time given Vs description... If A9 is good at SD, then I can happily add V to my fish list.

Raising you 9x on turn is flat bad. If he gets called, he is behind and has %30 or less equity.

It is turning Top pair into a bluff

+1 TT, JJ and even some QQ should absolutely be in villain range, with a debatable amount of discounting.

Yeah, that's why it's called a semibluff

Well sure, but It's a poor one and EV this shallow is always less than ck-c or ck-f

Regarding range, if Villain thinks that Hero (and limper fish) will fold most hands to a 3bet (in what looks like an obvious loose raise to isolate a fish), then even AA/KK can't be totally discounted (let alone QQ-TT as others have stated).

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Lots of votes for hero to b/f turn with A9. Heroes perceived range includes some unpaired broadways. T9 has 9 outs against an overpair, 98 has 13 outs.

Your argument is a winning reg who knows hero is capable of b/f and believes hero has some BS in his range will never x/jam the turn with T9 or 98??? Call it bad if you wish, seems beside the point.

I agree. I don't see how we can eliminate TT/JJ from villain's range. A nittier TAG is not 3! pre with these hands. I also don't see how a nittier TAG grinder calls down three streets with a worse 9x. I can see 98 calling the flop and turn. No way he calls a large river bet unless you have a strong LAG and bluffy image, which I don't think you can assume from one hand a long time ago. Just saying the initial read seems to be a little off.

Two check-calls then a river check is a very weak line. I think two pair+ bets or raises at some point, unless he has a really solid read you'll bet the river.

I think it's a toss-up between a check and a small value bet/fold. I think 98s/88/87s may call a $75 bet. You beat 11 combos of 98s/88/87s and lose to 12 combos of JJ/TT. A shove only gets called by better and a c/r shove means A9 is no good (seriously, no one bluff check-raises at 1/2). If he calls a shove with worse, then he is not a nitty TAG and your read on him or your own image is way off. Honestly, I'd check out of curiosity to find out his cards. It's not the best reason.

Advocating bet/fold turn.

Knowing if he raises turn. I am crushed by his range.

Only part of his range that I believe he would raise that I am ahead of; is 56 (3 combos), 98 (2 combos). 78 (3combos). All of which have decent equity vs our hand.

Yes I think raising 98 here as a bluff is bad vs 99% of 1/2 players.

Given range we are given. He just doesn't have enough bluffs in turn check/raising range. Can assume he isn't bluffing with 100% of his combo draws.

Given fact he called 3 streets with TPGK. My guess is he will do the same with his 9's most of time. After all, small hand small pot. (Mantra of this thread).

Tags are not turning Top pair into bluff very often these days.

I think a good case can be made for villain to flat TT/JJ oop 3-way, but not AA-QQ imo especially since flatting will allow BB to come in for cheap and he likely don't want to play AA-QQ 4 way OOP.

And this was the reason I chose to remove TT/JJ from his range pre, but you guys are making a good case for TT/JJ to still remain in his range with his action pre/flop/turn.

TT/JJ are in line with c/c flop and turn and letting me continue to barrel rivers as well assuming SB's reasons for calling post flop was putting me on over card broadways, AK and complete air.

Alright river/results?

Hero shipped, I thought it was either a ship or check back decision and I chose to stick with my read. Villain folds.........

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