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2/3 weird river spot with talkative reg 2/3 weird river spot with talkative reg

08-21-2015 , 05:57 PM
V1) $300 Cut off -only been at table a few orbits, loud talkative seemed like reg knew dealers name ect... Mid 40s didn't have much on him to note. Seemed like ok player but hard to tell at 2/3 sometimes.....

Hero) $450 UTG +1 - late 20s no hoodie headphones vibe or anything sorta card dead but big stack at table, could seem nitty....

Hero - Q9

Pre flop: Hero limps, 2 callers, v1 raises to 15, only hero calls

Flop: (40) T97 hero bets 25, v1 calls
Turn: (80) 6 hero checks, v1 checks
River: (80) 9 hero bets 35, v1 raises to 115

While hero is tanking reg mutters something to guy next to him about raising too much, but can't tell if that's false tell.....seems like kind of player that would give off obvious false tells....very loud almost obnoxious since at table.
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08-21-2015 , 06:08 PM
fold pre

as played, fold pre to the raise after you limped. pre was the worst part of the hand imo.

fold to the raise on the river without any more info on him.
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08-21-2015 , 06:09 PM
blech, limp/calling preflop. Don't do that anymore. Seriously, it's not good.

As played, I think V has enough sack to make it at least 100 more if he wanted you to fold. This smells like a value bet.
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08-21-2015 , 06:14 PM
Preflop limp in EP is fairly loose, but I'd be attempting it one pip higher with QTs, so I doubt it's horrible. Easy fold to the raise, imo. We'll be OOP and have no idea if this is going to go multiway (for better immediate and implied odds).

Why did we bet the flop? Better hands are unlikely to fold; worse ones a bit unlikely to call (although they could call in position and give us fits on later streets). I'd rather check/call which should be profitable against a wide cbet range.

I'm probably also giving up on the turn.

I'm also betting the river. I'd probably bet a lot more since this guy's hand kinda looks like an overpair, so I'd probably bet closer to 3/4 PSB. Facing the raise is really weird. Is it possible he took our slightly small river donk as weak and is trying to bluff us with overcards? His check back on the turn is really confusing. I might pay this off although I would feel fishy doing that.

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08-21-2015 , 06:55 PM
gobbledygeek pretty much covered it.

I do think not betting the turn is a mistake though. Once you fail to bet the turn it doesn't look like you have a straight. That may cause villain to think your making a blocking bet on the river and might have induced a raise with a weak hand. However, with 4 to a straight and a paired board many would just call. River situation is very weird and there isn't much you can do but make a read and go with it. You have played the hand weirdly enough that the situation is hard to analyze.
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08-22-2015 , 02:07 AM
I think I call here. Our hand looks like it could be anything. We limped/called. We bet the flop, checked the turn, and bet the river. Its very likely that he puts us A10 type of hand that can't stand much pressure. He could be bluffing or value betting worse, say, 2 jacks. Given your description, I'm assuming he is a decent hand reader. I think he is always betting the turn with an 8 to try and get the $ in. Regs don't slowplay as often as they put pressure from my experience.

There are so few hands that he raises pre that beats us.
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08-22-2015 , 02:12 AM
That's a big raise at Talking Stick,he has 10-10 almost always,I'd fold if this was played at the Stick.
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08-22-2015 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
That's a big raise at Talking Stick,he has 10-10 almost always,I'd fold if this was played at the Stick.
Yeah I ended up with a crying call as I think he shows up with some random missed draw bluffs plus TPTK and over pair enough played weird, he ended up showing TT for top set turned boat, which I never expected but just wanted some feedback from the community. I think I can find a fold here most of the time as no one is raising a river bet with 4 on board to a straight and paired with less then the nuts.

I feel like his comment really threw me off though which no one seemed to comment on......
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08-22-2015 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
That's a big raise at Talking Stick,he has 10-10 almost always,I'd fold if this was played at the Stick.
Nice read.
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