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Originally Posted by Willyoman
Eh, why not check flop or turn?
I mean, thinking about value, AT,KT,QT,JT,T9 are villain's top pair hands. Pre-flop, villain is quite unlikely to have worse Tx than T9 (of course, T8s is two pair anyway). And he's also often going to have close to all 16 combos of AT but just 4 combos of T9 suited. Could be on average like 16+12 = 28 of AT,KT and just 8+4 = 12 of JT,T9 (that is before accounting for blocking, which brings it from 28 vs 12 to more like 14 vs 4 or so / rough guesses obviously). 99 does not call both flop and turn. And JJ is possible and of course calls flop and turn. There really aren't any super likely or high equity draws. Maybe just a few combos of suited OESDs and the gut shot + overs we block 50% + maybe 4 combos of the 76s double gutter.
Betting flop + turn feels like a huge overplay to me. Not enough value from his range once you bet the flop and again bet on the turn.
I think OP played it perfectly.
Bet flop for widest possible value (lower pairs, the worse Tx, the few draws, peeling Ax, etc) as well as to get most unpaired Ax, Kx, Jx to fold away their equity.
Check turn and mostly just c/f. Or perhaps call the 30 on the turn with the plan to c/f river is debatable I guess. But I like either line better than b/f turn.
Kookie, I agree with the flop value bet for the reasons I mentioned.
Once villain calls flop, help me understand how you see villain's range going to the turn and why we can value bet again on the turn? How profitable is a 1/2 PSB turn bet?
I think Villian has a much wider range than that and we can get value with a 1/2PSB.
This is where I think we are after he calls OTF:
Board: Td8h4s
Equity Win Tie
CO 67.57% 65.67% 1.91% { QsTs }
BU 32.43% 30.52% 1.91% { JJ-77, 44, ATs+, A8s, A4s, KTs+, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, Ad9d, Ah9h, As9s, Kd9d, Kh9h, Ks9s, 6d5d, 6h5h, 6s5s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
This is what I think we can get called by OTT:
Board: Td8h4s2h
Equity Win Tie
CO 59.26% 56.50% 2.76% { QsTs }
BU 40.74% 37.98% 2.76% { JJ-88, 44, ATs, A8s, A4s, KTs, Q9s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, AhKh, AhQh, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, Ah9h, Kh9h, 6h5h, ATo, KTo, QTo+, JTo }