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Old 01-31-2016, 09:55 PM   #1
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2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

Villain sat down and got 2 decent starters early, and played aggressively when connected. Since then. he's been in about 66% of pots in the past ~4 orbits since he's been sitting there. He's re-bought for $100 3 or 4 times. PF raise ~15%. He's been creating action in most pots he's in, even multi-way, trying to muscle his way through with all sorts of draws & other junk. I stacked him for ~50bb in a previous hand when I raised QJ on BTN and he called in BB. I Cbet top pair on a J99dd board, he called. He donked into me for ~5/7 of the pot when a 7 hit on the turn. Considering his wild moves in the past, I put him AI and took his stack when he called 8c3c.

Now, he rebought for another 300 and was down to $250. In a previous hand, I had raised $30 in a straddled pot, and had to lay my AJ down in a multi-way pot on an ugly board.

2 hands later, another straddled pot.

UTG straddles:
UTG+1 calls, 2 more calls,

Hero: ~$600. TAG image. Bluffed some pots due to image, but table has seen me make laydowns before as with the hand mentioned above.

TT. Raises to $40.

Villain in BB: ~$250 3bets to $80, others fold to Hero.

Hero needs help. My guestimating range for V here is 22+, AJs+, AQo+. I'm not sure if the min-bet weighs this heavier to monsters, or against them though, especially considering past history. If that range is balanced, TT is good 58.9%. We're in position, but if we call, the pot will be ~$174, w/ V at $170 and likely lead out on any flop. Good to get it AI with TT here? From what I posted, how's the range I put V on? Thank you for your input.

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Old 01-31-2016, 11:08 PM   #2
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

You didn't give any example of him 3betting at all.
Let alone light in the previous hands.

I would just fold here and let him have it.
Raising 15% of hands is not really that much. I raise 15% of hands on a prety regular basis (that's only 3 hands per 2 orbits). And with no history of 3betting this is likely a premium.
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Old 01-31-2016, 11:21 PM   #3
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

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You didn't give any example of him 3betting at all.
Let alone light in the previous hands.
This was his first 3bet that I recall. However, he hadn't been at the table to see more than 35 or 40 hands, and already lost a bunch acting irrationally agro post flop. This, coupled with me stacking him earlier, and showing I can lay a hand down after betting large in a straddled pot made me think his 3bet range might be wide. Perhaps I'm flawed in using his post flop play and dynamic to judge his pf range.
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Old 01-31-2016, 11:36 PM   #4
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

LAGs don't always 3bet lite. I would assume most players (even LAGs) at low stakes have a very tight 3betting range until proven otherwise.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:13 AM   #5
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

Sounds loose-passive preflop and spewy postflop, if he hasn't 3bet in 40 hands and suddenly does it now, I fold.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:19 AM   #6
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

that is strictly a player dependent guess. you were there and we werent. you size him up and make the best choice.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:10 AM   #7
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

I'd say its a fold. He only has $250-80=$170 left giving him roughly a potsize bet on flop to be all in so calling would be worst option.

Do you really think he's popping it to $80 with 22+? That seems unlikely to me. Change his holdings to 99+, AJs+, and AQo+ much more likely and you're a 45-55.
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Old 02-01-2016, 09:10 AM   #8
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

Meh, this guy is really bad. The 83s hand is just awful. It's shove or fold. I probably stuff it.
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Old 02-01-2016, 09:37 AM   #9
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

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My guestimating range for V here is 22+, AJs+, AQo+. I'm not sure if the min-bet weighs this heavier to monsters, or against them though, especially considering past history. If that range is balanced, TT is good 58.9%. We're in position, but if we call, the pot will be ~$174, w/ V at $170 and likely lead out on any flop. Good to get it AI with TT here? From what I posted, how's the range I put V on? Thank you for your input.

That's an 8.6% 3-betting range for V with 15% PFR.

Just can't be that wide.

Against a min-raise, not awful to go set-mining here as you stack him when the set hits, but stack sizes make this very very marginal.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:01 PM   #10
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Re: 2/3 TT vs 3 betting aggro on tilt

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Against a min-raise, not awful to go set-mining here as you stack him when the set hits, but stack sizes make this very very marginal.
I think we're getting about 8:1 to setmine thanks to the small stack. Way too marginal, imo, especially considering he might not always stack off when he has air / has KK on A high flops / we hit and get stacked / etc.

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