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2/3 top and middle pair in 3bet pot. 2/3 top and middle pair in 3bet pot.

12-12-2018 , 04:11 AM
Hero 30 yo white male appear to be relatively tight until tabling a 5 high bluff in a 3bet pot I raised pf against the same villain in this hand. A97ddQxKd raise pre ip, bet flop, check check turn, and bet $170 into $220 on the river when checked to. He folds after tanking and I show.
V: middle aged Asian guy who had been playing pretty solid and grinded up a stack to $750~
Had been pretty aggressive.

Otth
Hero: $1250~ $750 effective
In SB with AhJh
Pf
V raises to $15 from MP
Folds to me, I 3bet to $55. only V calls.
Flop $115
5hJx9x
I bet $60, V calls.
Turn $235
Kh
This is where I think I botched the hand, I decide to check call because I don't want to get raised.
I check V bets $130, I call.
River $495
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I make Two-pair and miss my flush.


Hero?

Last edited by Garick; 12-12-2018 at 08:37 AM. Reason: Removed results
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12-12-2018 , 08:40 AM
What manner of silly ego games led you to show that bluff?

Given your image now against V, I c/c river. Normally I'd b/f about half pot, but we couldn't fold after showing that bluff and our hand isn't strong enough on this board that I like playing for stacks with it.
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12-12-2018 , 09:28 AM
Jam the river. Even moreso after showing him the bluff.
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12-12-2018 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Jam the river. Even moreso after showing him the bluff.
Even though I bluffed him earlier what range do we expect him to continue with preflop and in regards to the river what worse hands are calling flop and betting the turn that will consider calling it off if shoved on the river?

I think I just way overplayed my hand and this was not the spot to be creating a huge pot with a not that close to the nuts hand. If the river was a heart that would be the time to shove especially after showing him the previous bluff.
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12-12-2018 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
What manner of silly ego games led you to show that bluff?

Given your image now against V, I c/c river. Normally I'd b/f about half pot, but we couldn't fold after showing that bluff and our hand isn't strong enough on this board that I like playing for stacks with it.
I showed to manipulate my image, i had been running hot and showing up with the goods every time.
I wanted people to start thinking I may have been bluffing them more often than had been thought and it might cost me some small pots in the short term but i felt like I could capitalise on it in a big pot if I've got a very nutted hand and someone has a second best hand. Do you oppose the idea completely?

Definitely agree that the hand isn't strong enough to play for stacks. If he's putting the money in it's always with a better hand and I don't realistically see what worse hands call a jam other than KJ maybe even he would fold on that river.
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12-12-2018 , 10:17 AM
You're contradicting yourself. You say you showed the bluff to manipulate your image but now you only want to shove with the nuts?

You don't get the nuts very often and certainly not in 3 bet pots against another guy who is deep. After showing that bluff, a strong 2 pair is good enough hand to make a huge river jam and get called by worse.

How good of a hand did you expect to hit when you 3 bet AJ?
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12-12-2018 , 10:52 AM
We can bet for value. It is reason we showed bluff. We can easily get called by worse.

Can likely bet/fold $200-250. As I don't expect him to bluff jam or value jam worse.

Also check/call is fine also. I would expect him to check back mostly.

Question is what do we do if we check and he jams. Which puts us in awful spot.

So I lean heavily to Bet/fold
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12-12-2018 , 10:59 AM
If you can have 5 high in your range you should really be betting this turn. c/c isn't great since you're basically saying you have a weak hand since anything strong would barrel.
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12-12-2018 , 12:34 PM
If I'm going to play I probably just flat preflop but I'm super passive like that mostly because I don't like building pots OOP to non-ABCstraightforward opponents. Position is a thing.

I'm fine with flop.

I'm totally fine with turn. One of the main draws got there (QT) and we certainly don't want to be raised off our draw. At this point we have a showdownable hand that doesn't want a huge pot UI.

I probably lean to bet/folding the river. He could check back a lot of showdownable hands that would consider calling a bet (sometimes perhaps even as strong as two pair). We have the flush draw so it's that less likely that he has a busted draw that he might barrel.

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12-12-2018 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eggsnmaplesyrup
I showed to manipulate my image, i had been running hot and showing up with the goods every time.
I wanted people to start thinking I may have been bluffing them more often than had been thought and it might cost me some small pots in the short term but i felt like I could capitalise on it in a big pot if I've got a very nutted hand and someone has a second best hand. Do you oppose the idea completely?
Not completely. If you actually did it with a plan, fine. I wouldn't be 3-betting AJ OOP after doing that, though.
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12-12-2018 , 03:00 PM
i would bet like two fifty and probably call if we get jamed on.


i don't get why you are upset with turn result, if he does have pocket kings of q-10 he was probably flating or raising turn.
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12-12-2018 , 05:35 PM
I'd bet the turn but it's kind of irrelevant after he bets the same amount I'd have bet i think, but it's definitely not botched, also might consider raising after he bets, depends on if i think he might fold, but i think betting the turn 100% of the time is better than checking any %


it's a very interesting river, i think betting on the smallish side is good, i think he checks back a lot on the river and can't think of many bluffs he should bet with or worse hands, so i might go for a small bet/evaluate line

Last edited by KT_Purple; 12-12-2018 at 05:41 PM.
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