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07-11-2021 , 03:08 AM

BigSlickNick

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About V: European guy in his mid 30s, here on vacation. He's been opening a lot of hands from all positions, but hasn't shown down light or get too out of line in the 4-5 hours we were playing together.

OTTH: UTG limps, Hero opens to 20 from early position with QQ (standard open had been 15 with no limps, 20+ with limps). Villain on button raises to 60. Hero flats.

Flop comes 333. Hero checks, Villian bets 40. Hero flats.

Turn is a 6, bringing 2 spades on board. Hero checks, Villain checks behind.

River is a Jc. Hero checks, villain rips for 235 total. Hero?

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07-11-2021 , 03:12 AM

jdr0317

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What do you think he does with AJs in this spot? He’s probably thinking that’s the best hand, no?

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07-11-2021 , 03:20 AM

BigSlickNick

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

What do you think he does with AJs in this spot? He’s probably thinking that’s the best hand, no?

He might, but that's also the literal only hand he can have here that is shoving for value that I'm beating.

At the time my thinking was that the line he took up to the river looked so weak that by just flatting I felt like my hand was under repped.

I should mention that this happened in an LA casino on a Saturday night (i.e. an hour ago or so) and he was on his 3rd or 4th beer, so also something to factor in I suppose.

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07-11-2021 , 03:23 AM

bigfry

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Have to call here, it's roughly a pot sized river all-in.

Too many hands we beat, and this is nearly the top of our range too. Turn went check check so it's less likely he has KK or AA because most players would bet the turn with KK or AA.

It seems like most of his hands here are Jack combos: 10J, QJ, KJ, AJ. Weighted towards KJ and AJ.

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07-11-2021 , 03:24 AM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by BigSlickNick

He might, but that's also the literal only hand he can have here that is shoving for value.

Well you beat value. And he could be turning something into a bluff. Seems like not calling is overthinking it. Would he let a card come off when holding KK or JJ as well?

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07-11-2021 , 03:27 AM

monikrazy

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Snap

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07-11-2021 , 04:00 AM

BigSlickNick

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Thanks for the replies fellas. Very interesting, I would've thought the consensus response wouldve been to make a tight fold here. I never really post on here, what's the protocol, do I say what happened or no?

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07-11-2021 , 04:37 AM

drowski

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Snap call. We're insanely underrepped. I would be betting river for 75 instead of checking as well

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07-11-2021 , 06:25 AM

OmahaDonk

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Vs this player type I 4b pre. As played call river. Post results after 24 hours or discussion dies down

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07-11-2021 , 08:14 AM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk

Post results after 24 hours or discussion dies down

+1

With an SPR on the flop of under 4 and being HU, I don't have a 4 bet range, so I agree with the call. I'd call with AA too.

Most people are at least instinctively aware of the Zeebo Theorem (nobody at low stakes can fold a FH). If he had AA or KK, then a small bet on the flop makes some sense, but not checking the turn. He should have wanted to make a moderate bet on the turn to make the river bet more reasonable.

Therefore, this is a call. I can lay down FH if necessary but this isn't the time. If he has JJ, nice hand sir and pay him off.

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07-11-2021 , 09:41 AM

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Rebus

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Your line is so weak that I think he can be bluffing as well as betting worse for value
call and fairly happy about it

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07-11-2021 , 09:47 AM

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BigWhale

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Originally Posted by BigSlickNick

About V: European guy in his mid 30s, here on vacation.

Don't think I can find a fold against this type of Villain as played.

Call, and also ask him how he managed to get into the country on vacation - as borders are theoretically still closed - and then rely the information to me

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07-11-2021 , 01:29 PM

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nutsornot

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In 4-5 hours how often did V 3 bet pre? It seems like it really just comes down to how wide that range is and what portion of it he goes bet, check, jam with.

You look like you could have a ton of middling pairs and a lot of ace high here.

It seems like it would be an awfully tight fold on a Saturday night against a vacationing 30 year old euro who plays too many hands when hes on his 4th beer.

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07-11-2021 , 11:45 PM

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BigSlickNick

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Appreciate all the replies. For those saying to bet river, I get where you're coming from, but given the pre flop action, I pretty much ranged him on aces through 10s for value, and once the jack comes, I am now losing to more of those combos.

For those interested, I called, and he had aces.

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