Last hand of the session. I shouldn't, but I do this -EV thing where I play real lose for my last hand. My one weird superstition.

Anyways,

Hero: UTG, good (maybe slightly tight) image, seem to be pretty respected at the table. up about $600, stack size: about $900.

V1: UTG+2, $300 stack. Lose image.

V2 (main villain): MP, $300, new player no info but seems to be a slightly above average but is probably still a losing player.

V3: Button, $200, no info.


Preflop:
Hero opens to $12 UTG with 56 (obviously should be folding here)
3 villains above call

Flop ($48 after rake):
Q65

Hero bets $30:
V1 calls
V2 calls

Turn ($168):
Q653

Hero bets $115
V1 folds
V2 shoves to make it $245 (or close)

Reasons to call that I was thinking at the time:
I block all reasonable sets (6's and 5's).
I block even weird flopped two pairs.
QQ problably raises pre-flop.

Reasons to fold:
What hands could he be doing this with?



I needed another $130 to call. I tank folded.


What do you guys think about this? Never saw what he had.
Also, any suggestions on flop (c/r?) and turn action.

First thought, when V calls flop and shoves turn, he essentially never has air.

Some V's will consider AQ the nuts here, a rare few can shove with a combo draw. Nothing really makes sense (only two combos of 66 or 55; QQ would likely have 3b pre; 33 would likely have folded flop)

I'd say possible V holdings are something like AQ, QQ, 66, 55, 65s, 42s, 7s6s, As6s.

We have roughly 50% equity against that range and we're getting 4:1.

Even if V's range is only QQ, 66, 55, and AQs we have 29% equity.

Call it off.

Consider planning the hand more. When you bet the turn, you should have considered your response to a shove. If it was to fold, perhaps checking would have been better. If it's to call, perhaps shoving would be better. Either way, you shouldn't put in 2/3 your stack and only then wonder what to do with a shove.

Unless you like burning a lot of money opening 65o, this is a fold pre.

AP, it's a sigh call. He could be jamming Qx, and you block 66/55.

I always straddle my last hand, so I sympathise.

Shrug call. Price is just too good. He could have 53, 63, AQ, 87ss etc.

Good hand reading and math analysis on why calling is a no brainer.

Not sure I agree w you on the outcome of your planning. Betting to fold to a raise doesn't imply that checking is better. And betting with intention to call off a raise doesn't imply that blasting an overbet is better.

I agree with your lack of agreement. I meant "perhaps" in the "evaluate whether" sense rather than in the "polite way to say 'should'" sense.

The main point in my head was to plan the hand ("Plans are nothing; planning is everything" - D. Eisenhower) rather than what those plans should be. Should have spent more time thinking that through. With pot and stacks, shoving doesn't make sense and I myself was making the case that b/f didn't either.

Easy fold preflop. If we are raising, I have zero clue why we are raising to lol $12 which has zero chance at narrowing the field. If we're going to get out-of-line, open to $25 in order to narrow the field.

One of the reasons we fold junk like this preflop, especially OOP, is we can easily end up being dominated by a better hand (especially on later streets) and position is so key to pot controlling / figuring out what is going on / etc. Anyhoo, I also bet the flop.

Bottom line on the turn is that we got raised. Which likely means TP can be beaten. Our hand only beats a couple of hands that can beat TP. Getting raised on the turn trumps the fact that there are few combos ahead (also noting QQ is often flatted preflop), imo. So I also bet/fold the turn. ETA: Didn't realize we're basically facing a minraise; probably enough combos to be ahead of now at this point to call, although is still a gross spot as most people don't push draws like this (especially since we look to have a big overpair at this point and they are figuring no FE).

GcluelessNLnoobG

Not debating the rest of the hand, although I like everything but the raise pre, now that you are here, you must call the turn shove. He could easily have AQ, esp. AsQs. He could even have some other weird combo draw or just a Q.

Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I actually made a tank/crying call here instead of folding. I stated this to get good answers and analyses and you guys provided them! And I was betting the turn to get as much money in as possible. So apologies for those that spent time typing up that I should have had a plan on the turn.

I felt that I was beaten but I couldn't lay it down as I thought a large part of his range was going to be Qx hands with a good kicker or a hand that picked up the flush draw on the turn (like 87, AQ, A6, etc.).

Anyways, villain turned over Q3o and I lost to his higher two pair, but I'm glad I made a reasonable call here.

The key point for me: take notice of how often your opponents are raising just TP or a draw on the turn. Unless they are easily pot committed, it just doesn't happen nearly as often as you think, especially when our hand looks like a big overpair / TPTK. The thing that makes this a little closer in this case is the fact he might have a couple of worse two pair.

GimoG

And people say poker is drying up? We have a guy raising 56 UTG and another guy calling an UTG raise with Q3. Long live poker