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2/3 Second pair facing river shove 2/3 Second pair facing river shove

12-02-2019 , 04:00 AM
2/3 NLH

Hero (covers): Mid 20s bearded WG, running hot in ~2 hours at table, generally tight image, showing down several big winning hands. Has been card dead for the past hour or so.

Villain (~280 eff.) Middle aged Armenian(?) guy, competent TAG, recently sat down and has been very inactive so far.

UTG straddles 6. Villain limps in MP. SB completes 5. Hero (BB) raises J9 35. Only Villain calls.

Flop (~75) Q52
Hero bets 30. Villain calls.

Turn (~135) 9
Hero checks. Villain bets 75. Hero calls.

River (~285) 6
Hero checks. Villain shoves ~145. Hero?

Not super happy about my play this hand, would appreciate any comments/suggestions.
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12-02-2019 , 04:18 AM
fold turn. his inactive. super dry flop

raising this preflop oop is very marginal

lol at including beard in your description
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12-02-2019 , 10:15 AM
Agree with fold turn and not raising pre. I would just call pre; I would go $45 vs population, but if $35 gets it HU, then that's all you need to go.
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12-02-2019 , 11:32 AM
Why did you mention the beard?

I think pre was too large, also, why not check the flop? I'm not a big fan of leading out in these types of situations.
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12-04-2019 , 01:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by euphoric84
Why did you mention the beard?
Good question lol. I like descriptive hand histories but certainly deserve a roasting for that one .

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero tank folds, Villain shows A3dd for the busted wheel draw.

Honestly not sure why I didn’t just fold the turn. It may have been a live read thing because I was extremely suspicious of his line here for some reason. He didn’t seem like the type of player to limp call Qx pre, so the value range I assigned to him was 2P+ and sets (mostly sets given action), which is pretty thin. 34s got there which is certainly a hand he could play this way. I didn’t account for suited ace wheel draws as bluffs when I was tanking.
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12-04-2019 , 08:02 AM
Yeah I think this hand was kind of butchered. J9s is a fine hand to played in a multi-way limped pot if we don’t think straddle raises often. I don’t expect to get heads up very often. I think your read that he doesn’t ever limp call with 2 broadways cards here is way off.

Flop is fine I may bet a bit bigger 35-40 because there are a ton of turn cards that we gain a ton of equity on and can barrel again.
Turn I’m betting again to get the random pairs he called with otf to fold then plan to check fold river if he calls again with the slight possibility of him folding his weaker Qxs hands.
River is a pretty easy check fold. There’s hardly any draws that missed and I expect all kinds of Qxs hands that got some weird two pair to show up here and sets which is way more likely than someone bluff shipping river on a random straight draw they called with pre.
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12-04-2019 , 11:59 AM
I just see a flop preflop but that's me. Think we're risking too much to win too little / narrow the field and will mostly bloat the pot OOP with J high too often.

I'm fine with our cbet and our sizing. I'm not nearly as convinced as I once was that small underpairs fold to one bet here so let's do this as cheap as possible. Although Ax/Kx and lots of other hands that are technically currently ahead will mostly fold.

Turn is a spot we'll be in often thanks to preflop: at best a very mediocre hand and yet now OOP and facing a bet that'll bring stacks into play by the river. It's a stoopid spot and good luck getting it right. I attempt to avoid stoopid spots.

Gsetupgoodspotsforyourself,imoG
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12-04-2019 , 12:01 PM
Grunch from title alone: easy fold. OK, off to read OP.

Post title-grunch (still haven't read any posts but OP) edit: I don't like the flop down-bet as many LLSNL V's read that as total weakness, but w/e. The turn is a fold on this dry board, even given your small flop sizing. River is a turbo-fold unless there are considerations you haven't mentioned, like you have a weird image or history with V.
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12-04-2019 , 05:23 PM
Like for Garick, the thread title alone says "fold" to me.

If you were in an ordinary pot with no straddle, would you raise J9s versus a mid-position limper from the small blind? I wouldn't. That's what this spot preflop spot essentially is.

If we are raising, for an out-of-position iso versus two players VPIPing in LOLLSNL, I would size up, to something like 60. Your sizing is appropriate for a tight online game, but not a live 2-3.

River is a snap-fold, absent a read.
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12-04-2019 , 06:26 PM
I don't like PF as this should be a pretty standard complete. The hands that limp call you have dominated a lot of times. This isn't a great hand to have in your range here.

What is the reason you're raising here?
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