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09-26-2018 , 12:08 PM
Hero is young white male, bought in for $400, up to about $500ish but only been playing for 15-20 minutes. Have won a few smallish pots, not getting out of line too much.

Main villain, looks late twenties Asian male in the HJ. Appears to be a reg in the room from conversations with passerbys going to bigger games, has gotten it all in pre twice with another villain in this hand [the BTN] (once with TT once with QQ - first time for about 180, second time for about 300) and lost both - topped up using a 1k chip (max amount on the table is 500). He has tangled with hero in a small pot where he cbet flop, and checked back turn and river.

BTN sitting on around 250, has been playing pretty bad, and is your atypical salty live grinder - early thirties geared up in rings, necklaces, sunnies, and is complaining about how bad everyone plays etc etc etc. He played a notable hand where I raised BTN vs LP Limp and he flatted BB. He check called a 3/5 Pot Cbet on J75r turn 7h checked through and he bet 1/2 pot on the Jr river and got shown a J. Originally bought in for around 150.

SB is BTNs mate, haven't seen him play a hand that went to SD, but so far his pastimes include open limping and chatting with BTN about how bad every else is playing - and bought into the game for 125, which he has infront or him To start the hand.

2/3 - 5 handed
UTG Folds,
CO raises to 15,
BTN calls 15,
SB calls 15,
Hero calls in BB with QJ

Flop 60 - Q J 2
Check, check, check, check

Turn 60 - Q J 2 4
Check, hero bets 25 (I don't like sizing on review), PFR makes it 110, fold, fold, hero calls.

River 280 - Q J 2 4 2
Check, villain bets 250, hero...?

I had no idea what to do here as I'm not predominantly a live player and haven't put much time in at the casino. On one hand it's really hard for villain to have much value other than pocket 4s (I don't think he's slowplaying overpairs on the flop) - but on the other hand, from my limited play, I don't know if the playerpool bluffs often enough here using this polarising a size. It also sucks that I'm blocking both top sets.

Need some help
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09-26-2018 , 12:42 PM
I used to think this was a snap call preflop; now, I'm not so sure. We're OOP to whom I'm guessing we think is a good player deep; doubt he's going to hurp durp his stack off to us. The other players might be morons, but they're fairly shallow, so we're not getting great IO on them. I don't hate preflop but the more I play the more I think folding here is perfectly fine.

I would mostly just donk this flop. The raiser could easily not cbet air 4ways against a couple of shortstack morons, so let's make sure we start getting those guys to start paying off.

Not a fan of our turn sizing. If anything I would be potting it so I can play for stacks against either of the morons (and attempt to make up for my flop mistake of getting no money into the pot then).

I think it's a gross turn spot facing the raise from the better deepstack OOP, and partly why I don't think preflop is a slamdunk like I used to. His line is super weird, so I guess we have to call and see what he does on the river. But both other times he got money into the pot he had good reason to think his hand was best, and now it looks like he's attempting to do that again, except this time even deeper.

Same sorta thinking goes for the river. It's a gross spot. We're kinda mostly hoping he's going nutso with A3cc or something like that.

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09-26-2018 , 01:56 PM
Preflop is meh. You are just deep enough vs main villain but the other villains are too short and you will be OOP. I would call sometimes and chuck it sometimes.

On flop you can go with a donk or a check/raise, either works. After that it's a read on villain but against most I'm calling turn and check/evaluating river with an eye towards call.
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09-26-2018 , 02:22 PM
anyone up for 3b this pre since the original raise came from LP?
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09-26-2018 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
anyone up for 3b this pre since the original raise came from LP?
This crossed my mind, but I think BTN and SB are too short and are going to be calling way too often to make it profitable.

As for all the folds pre - are we folding this due to sizing, the shorter player's stack depth, or some other reasons - as I originally was thinking that pre was a pretty standard defend against what is likely a wide initial opening range using standard sizing and two spaz calling ranges (even though we're only IP of one of them)?
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09-26-2018 , 08:56 PM
Call.

Villains line is pretty weird, and we need to assume that villains weak line on turn could encourage him to have more bluffs here.
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09-26-2018 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Call.

Villains line is pretty weird, and we need to assume that villains weak line on turn could encourage him to have more bluffs here.
Do you mean the flop? On the turn the Villain made a pot size raise.
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09-26-2018 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
Do you mean the flop? On the turn the Villain made a pot size raise.
I meant to write heros weak sizing on turn.
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