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2/3 river spot with AQ! 2/3 river spot with AQ!

08-07-2017 , 04:24 AM
Very loose passive table, villain is a super rec player who sat down with chips from roulette/bj

hero ~$350 opens AsQs UTG to $20
Villain in MP, CO, BTN all flats.

Flop KdKsQh
I c-bet $60
villain flats behind and the rest fold

Turn 6s
I bet $90
villain flats

River 3c
I check
villain bets $110 out of his remaining $130

Whats the play here?
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08-07-2017 , 05:35 AM
Flop bet probably too big

Check turn

Fold now
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08-07-2017 , 06:09 AM
Do I really check turn when I turned a nut flush draw?
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08-07-2017 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iatnuy
Do I really check turn when I turned a nut flush draw?
There's a world of difference between the nut flush draw with unpaired board and a paired board. On this board, you could be drawing dead.

River is an easy fold with second pair.
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08-07-2017 , 06:59 AM
You guys are crazy. Folding river as played is awful. It's $110 into $365 and we know nothing about villain except he came from the pits. He could be betting QJ/QT for all we know. Not to mention JT, AT, random bull****. Even if he mostly has Kx we don't need to be right very often.

Preflop size is way too big but if it's standard at the table it's ok.

Flop size is too big.

As played x/c turn.

As played call river. You can consider b/f small river as well.
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08-07-2017 , 07:03 AM
Seems like a really good spot to just x/c turn..

Flop bet is fine, can go either way. River is a call, can never fold for that price
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08-07-2017 , 11:52 AM
Check flop or turn.
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08-07-2017 , 12:18 PM
Don't know why people are advocating folding the river against a fish from the pit. Very possible that he's just in a gambling spirit and spewing on the river. Especially for the price, it's an instant call.

I think the raise pre-flop was too big. I don't like to raise so big pre because it makes it way easier for our opponents to play perfectly against us.

I think the bet sizing on the flop is fine to protect against straight draws, but I wonder if a smaller sizing would get the same thing accomplished without having to risk as much.

I'd prolly check the turn for pot control, but if villain is a gambling fish then we could be losing a lot of value by not betting. He might even call with a gutter.
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08-08-2017 , 02:25 PM
I'd much rather open limp AQs at a loose table as it plays fine in limped high SPR pots.

Kinda hate our result (4ways, OOP, small SPR giving everyone excellent IO where it will be hard to fold TP hands).

I'd probably check the flop. We're mostly WA/WB here as we fear no overcard, with the only exception is that there might be straight draws. Getting called by someone who has position on us will suck in a bloated pot in the turn where we'll be in a gross spot (where we'll have to check and they can put us to the test). I also have no idea why we bet so much (a huge 3/4 PSB on this board) if we are cbetting; if I cbet this, I'd only go like $25 - $30.

What are we getting value from on the turn? A straight draw is the only thing (oh, ok, a worse Q, whatever), and he might not even chase that on a paired board. ETA: I missed the fact the we picked up a flush draw, which for me is even more reason to check it (as getting raised off our draw by Kx, which is a decent part of his range as the first caller on the flop, would be a disaster).

And thanks to our overplay on every single street, we've left ourselves with a lol $130 into a $380 pot with an incredibly mediocre hand. If he's bluffy, it *might* be profitable at this point to call it off, but in general we got ourselves into a very bad spot that isn't going to be profitable long term over all the streets.

Goverplayedoneverystreet,imoG
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08-08-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by iatnuy
Do I really check turn when I turned a nut flush draw?
OP why do you think the idea of check calling turn with the nfd is so crazy? Think this is something you should really think about and can help your game a lot, because it sounds like your thought process is more like "lol nfd keep betting."
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08-09-2017 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jc315
OP why do you think the idea of check calling turn with the nfd is so crazy? Think this is something you should really think about and can help your game a lot, because it sounds like your thought process is more like "lol nfd keep betting."
I think check calling turn is fine but the reason why I bet turn with nfd is to build the pot for when I do hit the flush and get max value. Was the turn bet really terrible?

As to the huge preflop raise it was because that sizing was standard at the table and table was very very loose so I'm getting called by the same hands if I raise $15 or $20.

Anyway I folded river which was a mistake in hindsight but in the moment I was just so scared of all the Kx hands he could have.

He showed an A and mucked his other card and said he afterwards he had AT. I really didn't think he would call turn bet with his straight draws.
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08-09-2017 , 11:14 AM
your bets are all too big you are inflating the pot unnecessarily with less than a medium strength hand.

15 pre, 35 otf, c/c or 65 ott = 115
your bets = 170 which is 48% higher than the pot could have been with second pair.

it makes a big difference, then you can b/f or c/c the river depending on his sizing.
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08-09-2017 , 03:26 PM
Flop is wayyyy too big, $30 is fine
Turn X/c (probably X/f given flop sizing, I think very often you're drawing to 8 outs)
Fold river is good (the price you're getting doesn't matter otr if you've narrowed his range to kx or better)

Just saw results, opponent is a spewtard
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08-09-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Seems like a really good spot to just x/c all streets
fyp

Also just fyi you get shown 1 card in this game it means villain had the nuts. Everytime. He had AK. I dont care if it doesnt make sense. Thats what he had.
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08-09-2017 , 03:50 PM
On that flop and that action you're playing what I call a "one-card-hand" The Ace doesn't matter, for all I know I can have Q4o or AQs makes no difference. Your hand's no good. Too much money invested with a hand that is WA/WB. He can be bluffing by floating you or he's got K. You don't know if you have the second best or your hand is good.

I would not have bet so much and in your situation right now I fold.
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08-10-2017 , 05:59 PM
check flop. Betting is ok but smaller. 1/2 pot is lots.

as played, check turn. Had you checked flop, you could bet turn, but checking would be fine too.

call river.
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08-10-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by outdonked
On that flop and that action you're playing what I call a "one-card-hand" The Ace doesn't matter, for all I know I can have Q4o or AQs makes no difference.
this is ridiculous, of course.
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08-11-2017 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
fyp

Also just fyi you get shown 1 card in this game it means villain had the nuts. Everytime. He had AK. I dont care if it doesnt make sense. Thats what he had.
I agree with this fix.

Are we ahead of the range that would call a small flop bet, much less a large one?
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