This hand is from 2 years ago, idk why I thought of it now but it's really an interesting hand imo.

UTG is a female in her mid 20's. She handles chips really well and talked to her boyfriend (playing at another table) who I recognized as a solid player. So, I think she is a decent player, but I don't remember any specific hands that she played.

BTN is a young guy who seems aggro, just moved to the table but gives off that vibe.

Hero is 18 and has been playing semi-LAG but I feel like my bets have generally been getting respect.

UTG: $700
BTN: $250
Hero: Covers

UTG limps, MP limps, Hero limps the CO with T8, BTN makes it $15, UTG calls, Hero calls

Flop: T84

UTG checks, Hero bets $25, BTN raises to $75, UTG takes about 5 seconds and slides out $200, Hero????

UTG probably has a combo draw like j9ss, a set of 4's, or a slow played over pair. I'm not worried about the button, he probably has an over pair at most and only has 235 left. I'd call her 200 and get it in on a blank turn.

Ship it. There are so many possible hands here.

I would raise to $200 in a heart beat with AKs, QJs, J9s, 97s, 56s, 67s, 57s.

Plus you have 4 outs vs 44s, 2 outs vs 88s, and runner runner vs Tens.

I dont like shipping it with 4 outs...or 2 outs....

I dont like the smell of this hand....Just sounds like there is a set somewhere....

Hard to fold top two though.....but its been done before...Ive seen people fold sets to the 3rd or 4th bet, and be correct.

I'm not a nit by any means but I'm folding. She has 44/88 all day here. Plus button doesn't have much left and is easily sticking the rest in especially if his overpair has a spade so you get to see her hand. I know it's not always the most sound advice, but you don't have much invested here and can potentially lose your whole stack to a cooler.

I was not worried at all about BTN. The reason I led on the flop was so i could b/3b all in with him vs his top pair/overpair/whatever, but once UTG made a cold-3bet, that changes everything...

I don`t think I`ve ever folded top two when a set was the nuts but this is a tough spot. I probably get it in and lose to bottom set.

What hands are calling $25 but aren't calling $40 on your initial flop bet?

And what type of hand do you think your opponents are putting you on after limp calling preflop and now leading into the raiser on the flop for 1/2 pot?

The answer to these questions may not directly provide the answer to your inquiry but they still are beneficial to you understanding them.

I agree my flop bet was too small. Keep in mind this was 2 years ago and one of my first times playing live, so I wasn't adept at gauging the pot size.

In my experience, most donk bets like this are perceived to be a weak hand that is folding to a raise, such as middle pair or a weak straight draw. As I said, my plan was to b/3b the flop vs the button. I was scared of letting it check through considering all the bad turn cards that can come.

stack to pot ratio here...

with 2 stacks of 300 im shipping every day of the week but she has a stack of 700 and raised to 200 pretty much hoping for you to get committed there. She's strong. Very strong... and with you calling the button is coming along for the ride with his stack so even more outs against you....!

Due to the size of stacks I'm folding top 2 there... had I had less than her.. 3 or 400, then I'll be pushing.

T8 here is better than bottom set here.

With 44s.. you lose to 3 88s and 3 TTs
With T8 .. there is 1 88, 1 TT, and 3 T8.

There are simply a ton of hands that can make it $200 to go in this spot.

if you arent shipping this flop, fold the hand preflop imo

folding here makes you pretty easy to exploit, I think its a ship

Results: I ended up folding because I thought UTG's range was basically 88, 44, T8, and some combo draws I am 50/50 against. They ended up getting it all in on the flop, BTN had JJ and UTG had KK (lol). No idea why she would limp/call pre then c/cold 3-bet the flop, but this taught me that live players play hands in completely different ways than online players. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Hopefully I can post more interesting hands in the future.

Terrible!

+1. I'd play it like this imo.

Can't fold here.

So what you do on the flop has to be consistent with what you do when you hold other cards in this situation.