Main Villain in this hand is late 20s black guy, has been talking a bit about competitive online gaming with the guy next to him (League of Legends/DOTA were the only words I really heard from the conversation). In a previous hand, old shortstacking nit opens to 15 in EP, gets three callers including Villain out of the blinds, flop comes A62, old nit gets all-in for 31, folds to Villain who calls with JT, catches running diamonds against nit's AK, and says afterwards "I believe an all-in up to $50 should be called!"

The other two villains in this hand are somewhat relevant -- V2 is fishy, probably any two suited preflop, roughly. He's not much better postflop, seems to call if he catches a piece, tends to bet when checked to, but due to the 70% VPIP just has no chance. V3 is loose preflop, but decent/sticky postflop.

2/3 blinds. Main V starts with around $320, V2 around $110, V3 $500, I cover.

Hero has QQ in EP, two folds, I make it 15, one fold, V2 calls HJ, one fold, V3 calls from BTN, one fold, main Villain calls from the BB.

FLOP ($56 after rake): T62

Main Villain leads $30. I think for a moment, but decide within about five seconds to just call -- I don't really want to blow either of the guys to my left out of the pot, the turn card should change my equity a fair bit, and I disguise my holding somewhat.

Sadly, the "keep guys to my left in the pot" fails, they both fold, and we go to the turn...

TURN ($116 after rake): [T62] 7

Villain checks, I bet $75?

I'm intending to bet about $140 on blank rivers if called and checked to, GII against a C/R, and evaluate on non-blank rivers? Do people prefer a turn check here and play a more modest pot with a one pair hand? Does anybody strongly prefer a flop raise?

15 pre is not enough, we don't want to play QQ in a four way pot.

Raise enough to get one caller, at most two.

Post flop, do we really want three Villains drawing to who knows what? With our call the pot is about $116, they are all priced in if they have ANYthing. And if we just call we are giving the main Villain a free card essentially.

Checking the turn is giving another free card, if our Villain has a pair why do we want to give him five more outs for free (his other two to make trips and the three to pair his kicker)?

IMO.

no I wouldn't raise

I would bet about 65/70 ott. Not giving him a free card, if he had a ten or a FD he's not going anywhere.

I also agree with 15 a little too small, depending on how the table is running I would raise 20 if that's what it took to get it heads up.

Pre, I would raise more. Not to protect our hand or anything, but to get fat value from our villain who will call his BB with just about anything. $20 or $25 looks good. If we bet $25 we will get heads up with our villain a good chunk of the time.

Flop, I'm okay with the call/evaluate. If we get raised, we likely have to keep playing because I know if I were one of the Vs in position I would want to ISO the main villain and try to fold the hero out (our call looks weak). Also, raising commits us to the hand which can be bad when they did outflop us.

If we get raised, my plan would be to win the hand on the turn when draws fall to half strength and be willing to fold if a heart or ace comes in.

As played, we gotta bet more on the turn! This villain is an idiot and will call way more than $70! Come on. Betting $70 is a huge mistake. Based on the JT call earlier...you think he's ever folding T3, even to an over bet? We are missing value here. I'm not sure which I prefer -- $90 to be below the $100 mark, or just pot it, or an over bet to $150.

I actually think that if he's calling the pot with T3, he's calling $150, which would make me rule out the pot sized bet. So $90 or $150. If probably go with $150. It will look a lot like AK.

Cliffs: We need to go for fat value based on the history hand, way fatter than $70.

Turn is a fairly straight forward bet when checked to; it's the flop that's more interesting.

Raising the flop is both, good and bad. Good because it denies odds to everyone to chase the flush; bad because it turns your hand absolutely face up and allows the main V to play perfectly against you by folding his most likely Tx and only continue with better.

I'd prefer calling to keep my hand underrepped and worse hands in, and evaluating on different turn cards.

AP, $75/f on turn seems about right, let's see the river.

I'd raise flop vs. this particular V, as I think the EV in stacking him is greater than that of getting one of the other two callers to come along, and his stack off range is likely extremely wide here given what we've already seen from him.

On the turn, the pot is $116 and V has $275 behind. If we bet $75 on the turn, the pot going to the river will be $266 and V will have $200 behind. It's a spot where we can shove, but are getting looked up less often than we would if we built a bigger pot. Given our reads, I don't think this V is folding turn very often if he actually has a T or a FD as long as you don't do something like shove. I'd pot the turn for $115, which leaves us $160 to shove into a $346 pot on blank rivers.

$15 is a fine PFR. QQ is a huge hand and it's fine even 4-way.

You might as well raise the flop if you're going to bet the turn as played. It's pretty transparent either way, and obviously the turn 7 didn't help you.

I advocate raising the flop.

Raise flop; shove turn.

The villain in this hand is terrible. I'd expect him to stack off with 10x and FDs. Effective stacks are about 100bbs. I'm looking to get stacks in.

I raise the flop blocking bet all day and shove the turn.

At loose tables with non-short stacks, I would sometimes limp here and see what happens. There's just too good a chance a raise sees a multiway pot where we're OOP to the field and a difficult SPR to deal with.

I really hate these postflop spots. The only easy villain to play against is the short V2; we should feel 100% committed against him. But we definitely shouldn't feel committed against V3 (pot control SPR 8), and things are really dicey against V1 (SPR 5, where we might feel committed). And OOP against 2 of the opponents to boot. Gross, imo.

I'm cool with the flop call. There's at least one opponent we definitely don't want to play for stacks against and a raise possibly gets us on our way to do that.

I would check the turn. HOC does a good job of comparing betting to protect against the draws versus building too big a pot for our hand. The villain is only on a draw a percentage of the time, and that draw is only going to come in 1/5.5 of the time; it's not something to be terribly worried about. But if we bet here, we will be left with less than a PSB bet for the river; will we feel committed if he shoves a blank? We also deleverage the turn against Tx hands so that they are likely to call one more bet (whereas they will often fold the turn fearing a river bet for stacks). We can also setup bluffcatchers.

ETA: Just realized our Villain is the idiot in the history hand. With that being the case, we could easily decide that we are cool with playing for stacks against him. I'm still cool with the flop call so that we can figure out what the deeper Villain is thinking, but on the turn now against this moron I think I'm cool with betting large to setup a river value shove.

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This and only this. 105 flop, shove ott 7x when ck to. This idea that this V can "play perfectly" when we raise flop is ridiculous. At 100BB he's bet/calling almost his whole range of pairs and gutters and FD. Then your turn shove when ck to on 7x turn is about a PSB and he is more likely to stack off here than if you had just called flop where he is more likely to find a fold.
All kinds of bad turn cards that might complete his draw or kill his action.

Pre is fine and I'd imagine a pretty standard open - they're all calling for 20-25 anyway which won effect things too much anyway.

Further, He can be betting Tx, FD, 45, 6x, 78, 89 - does he even bet sets? Prob not. JJ+ prob raise pre. Just so much to get Value from and getting fat value otf and gii ott is ideal for QQ at this depth vs this guy.