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Old 05-23-2015, 12:54 AM   #1
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Smile 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

2/3 (Saturday, 10-handed)
Max BI: $300

V1 ($100, SB) 40s female, sat down with $100 approx ten minutes ago.
V2 ($300, BTN) 40s male, also sat down recently, generally limping in pre.
Hero ($300, BB) 20s male, about one hour into session.

Pre:
A couple of limpers, V2 calls, V1 calls, Hero raises to $30 with QQ, folds to V2 and V1 who both call.

Flop:
$96

K6J

V1 checks
Hero ??

Prolly a standard spot but should I be betting out here with the intention of taking it down?
If I bet here and get called by the BTN for example, I could c/f the turn, without any particular reads?
As in, that would be better than a c/c on the flop?
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Old 05-23-2015, 03:59 AM   #2
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

Checking flop here. Betting just folds out worse hands / gets called by better (except some Jx, but you're probably only getting one street of value from those hands anyway, and can get that on the turn or river). If V2 bets, decide based on bet sizing and timing (likely folding if he bombs and calling if he bets 1/2 pot or less).
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Old 05-23-2015, 04:09 AM   #3
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

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If V2 bets, decide based on bet sizing and timing (likely folding if he bombs and calling if he bets 1/2 pot or less).
Calling if he bets 1/2 pot or less? I don't see any worse hands in either V's range if any of them decides to bet after we check. Any bet on the flop is Kx or better from these Vs. They're infact checking behind Kx a lot too in fear of being trapped by you since you made it $30 pre so I don't see how we can ever be good if they indeed bet. They're playing fairly straightforward in a big pot like this.

Flop is a check/fold OP.

Turn is also a check/fold if bet is any bigger than 1/2 pot. Might lead here sometimes but check/calling a small bet seems better.

River is a ~1/3-1/2 pot value-bet if it checked through on flop and turn hoping to get called by some worse hands.
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Old 05-23-2015, 09:33 AM   #4
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

Grunch:

I think the best option is to check fold this flop. If button bets I think it's a clear fold without significant reads that he's taking advantage of your check to bet with air or VB worse.

If flop checks through and turn check to you I might bet small or check again, not sure on best line.
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Old 05-25-2015, 12:09 PM   #5
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

I love the big raise here preflop. There's a bunch of limpers and we'll be OOP postflop, so we nullified all the cons of that by simply getting in 10% of our stack preflop where we can now comfortably stack off postflop with an overpair. On top of that, the big raise still got action (heck, not even HU but 3way), which illustrates that people didn't come all the way to the casino to fold (i.e. big raises can still easily get action, which some posters seem to doubt). Nice.

Unfortunate flop. AK can easily be limped/called at this level. KQ (albeit limited in combos) is probably limped/called >>>> any other play at this level. And so on regarding Kx, so it's definitely in play. I'd feel committed against SB (who only has a PSB left), but I wouldn't feel committed against Button. We're almost WA/WB, but against 2 opponents and some longshot draws, I'd probably lean towards betting. There's no reason to bet large as most opponents either have a hand they consider worth continuing with or don't to any reasonable bet. I would bet $35. If Button calls, I would probably give up on the hand (although if turn checks thru and a blank comes on the river I might consider a lol small blocky value bet). If SB is the only caller, I'd get the rest in on any turn.


ETA: I wouldn't hate a check/fold if we were OOP to both players (especially if we see the middle player bet). But once short stack checks, I think there is too good a chance Button bets a huge range if we check as well, and we get this pot stolen from us too often; so I would lean towards a bet in this case.

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Old 05-25-2015, 12:30 PM   #6
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

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Checking flop here. Betting just folds out worse hands / gets called by better (except some Jx, but you're probably only getting one street of value from those hands anyway, and can get that on the turn or river). If V2 bets, decide based on bet sizing and timing (likely folding if he bombs and calling if he bets 1/2 pot or less).
Agree.
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Old 05-25-2015, 01:30 PM   #7
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

c/f. button doesnt sound like the type to stab here or bet a J.

Probably bet on a lot of turns if checked to.

Betting isn't awful either as you fold out AX equity and can be called by a J.
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Old 05-25-2015, 02:02 PM   #8
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

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Old 05-25-2015, 10:05 PM   #9
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

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...the big raise still got action (heck, not even HU but 3way), which illustrates that people didn't come all the way to the casino to fold (i.e. big raises can still easily get action, which some posters seem to doubt). Nice.
Very true.. Big raises get action easily on 1/2 - 2/3.
I only found out over the weekend

Some hands villains have called with versus my 10x and 15x+ preflop raises (inc 3-bets):

A4
93 V called my $83 3-bet squeeze pre at 2/3 vs a bunch of limpers to a straddle
J8 V said he always put me on A high
33 V called my 20x 3bet pre and said he knew I had AK
27 V called my squeeze pre and called my turn overbet shove with bare FD.
Villain said "I have 16 outs, I know you have a set" before calling and jizzed when he hit.
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Old 05-26-2015, 02:20 AM   #10
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

with the little info here it seems they are passive. so bet out the amount you think they will call with gutshots or a jack. they will put you on a king and not bet later on until they can beat it.
makes it an easy to play pot and you get value from the hand when its best.
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Old 05-26-2015, 02:22 AM   #11
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Re: 2/3 QQ on KJ6r

this is also a hand where if you get a caller, by betting again small on fourth you may get another bet.
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