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Originally Posted by djevans
Hero has Q8 on cut off.
A few limps to hero and I decide to make a raise to punish limpers and I haven't played a hand in a few orbits so I figured I had a good image. Also table is not 3bet heavy and I think I can get some respect. I raised to $15
This isn't a valid reason to get involved. Yes, SUX to be running card dead when you have deep stacked fish involved and you're not getting any of their chips. Nothing you can do about that. It's still a horrid hand in a marginal position. "Villain - Saw him open $15 with random hands like Q8" -- why play down to his level? You want to catch the fish OOP with a better hand when he plays stuff like that. If you think he'll triple barrel with less than a pair of queens, or an even weaker queen, then why let him off the hook? Call for cheap, and see what develops.
If you have a bunch of fish limping ahead of you, your raise has little to no fold equity. Why spend the extra chips for nothing? Either muck it or limp along and hope no one behind you has a better hand they'll raise with.
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villain calls in BB and a few other calls.
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Villain donks $20 a few folds and I call.
2
Villain donks $35 - and i'm not sure i'm beat just yet - and i'm going to bluff heart rivers if I sense weakness. I call
River is 9
Villain bets $31 and doesn't look too happy about it.
I raise to $80 and he asks if I have 2 pair. Thinks about it for a bit and folds.
I think raising is better than calling here. Most LLSNL players are used to these small raises being value only and I was pretty sure it was going to work. My hand kind of looks like a flush draw and his bet looks more like a blocking bet. They've saved me a ton of cash when they announce they're nutted with uncharacteristic bets.
I could of had him beat with the Q8 but I think more times i'm getting him to fold hands like AQ/QT/and apparently even 2 pair unless he was lying.
Not sure this would of worked vs a good player but it worked here and I don't think I have enough bluff raises in my range vs players who also bluff and try to run the table over. I'm pretty happy with the result
You're over thinking this. You can be sure your fish knows nothing about value raises, or blocking bets, or anything like that. He probably isn't thinking your play looks like a flush draw, even if he noticed in the first place. Look at the bet sizing here: it's hideous, and
very fishy. He isn't considering he's laying you a helluva price to draw if you had a draw. He isn't considering SPR or even thinking along those lines.
I see these kinds of fish all the time, and they leave tons of value on the table through very poor bet sizing.
"'m getting him to fold hands like AQ/QT/and apparently even 2 pair unless he was lying".
No way Jose; not a chance Sundance! These fish aren't thinking beyond: "Me has queens! Me plays!" They'll play TP come Hell or high water, all the way regardless. Given the way he plays, it's best to check and call. He loves to bluff, so let him. On the river, no need to risk an extra $49: call, beat his ( Q, 2 ) (or whatever garbage he's playing here) and collect the chips. Your river "bluff" probably wasn't a bluff anyway, as you had the best hand all the way. He won't lay down any queen, and he
certainly isn't laying down any two pair or better.
No need to out think these types because they're not thinking.