Hey guys, looking for some advice on a hand I played earlier today:


Villian 1 ($350): middle aged guy. Very aggressive. Played with him for a little bit at 1/2 while we were waiting for seats at 2/3. Pretty loose open range and was betting big/raising most flops at the 1/2 table. I specifically remember him opening A6o from MP big and shoving on the flop with no A or 6 on the board and showing. Wasn’t opening as loose it seemed like when we got to the 2/3 table but remaining pretty aggressive postflop.

Villian 2 ($400): Older guy. Didn’t hear him say a word the entire session. Played really weird. No matter what was in the pot he’d always bet 15 on the flop, 20 on the turn and 25 on the river if he didn’t fold before. I saw him go through that exact progression with 33 and AA (twice). If he was in position he was calling any pair.

Hero($260): younger guy, mid 20s. TAG player but have pretty tight image at this 2/3 table. Been pretty card dead most of session.

OTTH:

V1 UTG limps, action folds to Hero in the CO with QsQc. Hero makes it $12. V2 in the Button calls, blinds fold, V1 calls.

Flop ($41) : 9dJd4s

V1 in checks. Hero makes it $30, V2 calls, V1 calls

Turn ($131): Qd

V1 bets $60. Hero???

more pre esp cuz you know V is nuts. Calling now.

Min raise to play for stacks by the river and get called. Make it $120 right now. That would be my play. He's not gonna fold for a 2x and after that it's gonna be easy to shove and get called.

Son't be afraid of the 3rd flush on the turn. It's much easy to make any other hand then a flush even when the 3rd flush card comes down especially heads-up. If you get called or raised you have equity-when-called build into your 10 outs plus your top set may be good.

This isn't heads up.
I'm fine with any line here except folding. ~20÷ equity even when one of the Villains is already ahead on turn, and can get value from lots of combo draws when you're still ahead on turn. Seems like raising is preferable, but call to draw / reevaluate on river isn't awful.

Raise. When fish donkbet they're either trying to see where they're at (some random pair) or they're trying to slow you down and set a price to hit a draw. He doesnt want to see you drop the hammer for $120 to chase his gutter and backdoor flush, so he's hoping you'll just call the 60.

Is shoving reasonable play? I feel like min raising is weak and if I 3x his bet I’m looking at like $38 left behind to play with on the river

Unfortunately 7 years have gone by and you still aren't good but as your future self I can tell you that I would call turn. A lot of hands got there but we are still are often ahead and have decent odds to draw to a boat/quads. He sounds like someone who is going to have a decent amount of low equity bluffs so we might as well keep those in his range as well as save money when we are behind.

With just a $260 stack I'd probably go $25 preflop. I'm aiming to setup a trivial commitment spot postflop especially when it's likely tricky V1 will be in hand.

SPR is kinda an awkward 6 on the flop. It's awkward because it will take 3 very small bets to get in stacks or 2 very large ones. Also, going 3ways we offered both Villains awesome ~22:1 IO and yet at the same time got ourselves into a spot where we're probably not going to be able to fold on this flop (especially against an aggro Villain). If we hadda popped it to $25 preflop and got a single call from V1 we would have been in a trivially easy spot (offering terrible 10:1 IO and setting up a less awkward ~5ish SPR).

Anyhoo, flop is pretty drawy and I feel committed. I'm aiming to get this over in two streets, although this will take a big flop bet thanks to our preflop sizing. I $70 to shove the turn.

As played, I shove the turn. Yeah, the OESD got there but we can still suck out. A call flop / donk turn line (especially against the preflop aggressor) is pretty strong in general (he could easily be betting a worse hand for value here). And finally there are simply far too many scare cards to kill action by slowplaying or not getting in chips now. ETA: Whoops, didn't notice the flush also got there; anyhoo, I still believe this card commits us and there are too many scare cards to not get it in now.

Gpreflopiseverythingatthesegames,imoG

In hindsight I regret not making it more preflop or on the flop. I usually try to be consistent with my preflop opens as to not give anything away. Would’ve easily 3bwt this but didn’t get any action before me. Looking back I think an overbet would’ve been appropriate on the flop.

Man, my HH reading skillz suck this morning; not only did I not notice the flush coming in but I also didn't notice it was still 3handed. I'm probably not as pumped about shoving at this point.

GcluelessHHreadingnoobG

Interesting to see such horrible advice given with such confidence. Call the turn every single day of the week and do nothing else.