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2/3: QJs in BB.  Shortie PFR and Deep SB call. 2/3: QJs in BB.  Shortie PFR and Deep SB call.

05-28-2015 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rise4ndFire
Thanks for the responses so far. I'll be jumping around various points before getting to flop action.

1) "Fold pre." It wasn't an auto-call for me, but V2 has been playing roughly 75% of hands, I think he's unlikely to be tightening up his calling range based on opponent and/or stack size, and I have good absolute and relative position as GG mentioned.

Bonus question: If it had folded around to SB (V2) who raised to $12, would that make you more or less likely to call pre than the situation we're in now?

2) I should probably note that V1 has been varying his raise sizes anywhere from $6-13. I believe the JTo hand he raised to $10. Not sure if we can assume much about his range other than he "likes it" more than JTo.

3) If we assume that SB is calling with a 50% range (taking out the top 2% that he's likely to 3bet), we're dominated by AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ and we're dominating QT-Q5, JT-J7, not to mention the suited trash combos like Q2s or J5s. We're going to be making better 1p, 2p, better (and more) straights. I'm not willing to say that we make better flushes because there are a lot of suited Ax and Kx in that range and I'm blocking all of the Qxs and Jxs combos. So what's not to like against V2?
If V2 had been the opener, it's a different dynamic. How does our hand stack up against V1's $12 opener range? My perspective is, the focal point of this hand is V1 because there is a much larger chance we are going to showdown with V1 rather than V2 due to V1 being so short-stacked. There's no guarantee we're getting action from V2 post flop when the pot is protected.

If V2 opened from the SB, I'm 3-betting a fair amount with QJ given how deep we are and our skill advantage.
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05-28-2015 , 02:39 PM
I'd like this hand a lot better HU vs. V2
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05-29-2015 , 02:14 AM
I think you ought to be less dramatic about calling this hand preflop mainly because the price is so cheap and if you're adamant that his range crushes QJ then we can just fold flop. I don't ever think folding top pair on flop vs this guy is correct anyjow. I'm in line with everything GG is saying except less politically correct about why calling rather than folding preflop is the best decision.

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05-29-2015 , 05:43 PM
Okay back to the hand.

Flop ($32) 974

V2 checks, Hero checks, V1 bets $25, V2 calls. Hero??
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05-29-2015 , 06:01 PM
This is similar to another hand that has been posted recently, and I would play postflop the same way I did in that one. If V2 hadn't called, I would have check/shoved the flop as we have good FE plus good equity against a wide cbetting range with lottsa dead money compared to shortstacks. However, with V2 calling now it's much more important to worry about large stacks behind, and I would just call with none of our draws being nuttish.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-30-2015 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
This is similar to another hand that has been posted recently, and I would play postflop the same way I did in that one. If V2 hadn't called, I would have check/shoved the flop as we have good FE plus good equity against a wide cbetting range with lottsa dead money compared to shortstacks. However, with V2 calling now it's much more important to worry about large stacks behind, and I would just call with none of our draws being nuttish.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Yup. Agreed. That's what I did in game. Rest of hand in sp:

Spoiler:
Turn ($107) 974Q

Action checks around.

River ($107) 974Q9

V2 checks, Hero makes value bet of $50 looking to get paid off by TT-JJ by V1, 7x from V2. Two folds though.
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