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07-08-2014 , 03:20 PM
V1 - Appears intelligent but calls way too wide preflop, raises button wide over limpers, running very good. Called a EP's preflop raise w Q8 in late position and stacked early position raiser (who is TERRIBLE). ~$800.

H - Just got moved to table maybe an orbit ago. Notable hands, against a different V, I called flop, raised turn, and folded to an all-in bet on river when a flush hit. Also I raised blinds/straddle from late position and BB and straddle called and I didn't c-bet. $700.

2 limps in early position and I raise in LP to $15 w T8dd. Button calls, V1 calls in SB.

Flop ($42) - J94 w 2 clubs. V1 checks, H bets $25, button calls, V1 check-raises to $75.

Hero?
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07-08-2014 , 04:16 PM
First, I would consider a seat change (especially if we are CO and loose Villain is just 2 to our left). The last thing we want is a deepstack loose guy to our left. This is a perfect example, cuz we have a decent hand that we'd love to iso one of the limpers with and yet we basically have no chance at that given loose Villain in the blinds (who can easily call and thus create a cascade of callers).

Given looseness of Villain, it seems unlikely a smallish raise is going to narrow the field after the 2 limpers. I would rather overlimp here. Although we did manage to narrow the field to 3way and are in position to the deepstack Villain.

I would probably cbet no more than 1/2 PSB. It's enough to fold out air / crap while at the same time giving us ok odds to continue (especially if facing a raise).

I would call the check/raise. Our non-flush OESDs should hopefully be good and disguised. We have the option of repping a flush if one comes on the turn and he checks. We're deep and in position (making future streets easier to evaluate and extract value).

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07-08-2014 , 04:25 PM
As deep as we are I don't see a reason to do anything other than flat here. Probably folding to further turn aggression if we miss turn. If we hit turn I am flatting if he bets anywhere near a pot sized bet and I am raising if he bets 100-125 to about 2.3x his bet size.
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07-08-2014 , 11:51 PM
I call the flop C/R. Pot is ~$217.

I figured my hand was very well hidden and V was very deep and there was a good chance of getting paid off if I did hit so I called on the flop.

Turn is T (not a club).

Board is J94 T

V bets $45. Hero calls.

Wtf does this ridiculously small bet mean? I was really confused by this. Club draw? I thought maybe he c/r'd flop w a J to "see where he was at" and maybe when I called the raise he was concerned I had an overpair and this was a blocker bet. I considered raising to represent a big overpair/try to convince him to fold but he seemed pretty sticky so I didn't think I had much fold equity and didn't want to risk getting blown off the hand.

Pot ~$307.

River 9 (not a club). Board is J94 T 9

V bets $100.
Hero?

Just give up or take a shot at it? Obviously I only beat a busted flush draw. I think it would have been easy to just fold to river bet but the small bet on turn still had me a bit confused.
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07-09-2014 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by eyurus
I call the flop C/R. Pot is ~$217.

I figured my hand was very well hidden and V was very deep and there was a good chance of getting paid off if I did hit so I called on the flop.
I don't see why V being very deep matters here. Unless V is on a set of 4s or something I don't see how your implied odds are that great. Are you thinking you are so concealed and V is so loose that he'll look up a huge river bet?

What about the button caller?

Also, if you do make the straight, unless you hit exactly a non-club 7 you are going to sweat the better straight and/or a flush, which either btn or V can very well have draws to. IE if you hit your straight with the club and face a big bet, you're going to have to make a huge decision. Frankly this is a really tricky spot and I'm folding once V c/rs OTF.
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07-09-2014 , 11:17 AM
I think I hero fold the turn. I gather this guy isn't getting too out-of-line postflop, he's just loose preflop, hitting hands, and then getting paid off postflop, right? I think RIO are really starting to come into play here. Even though we're getting terrific immediate odds, our straight draw is to 4-to-a-straight (not very good implied odds, if it happens to be good), all of our outs are dicey (we have no idea if any of them are actually good), and there is a possibility we are drawing dead (KQ clubs comes to mind).

I suppose with position an argument could be made for just calling and evaluating river, but I'm not convinced yet (especially since I can see us considering making a loose call on the river to a small bet, the position we ended up being put in).

ETA: Ha, didn't realize you posted river action too. I probably give up. Even QT clubs is ahead. Bottom line is that very few villains 3 barrel at low stakes with busted draws.

ETA#2: I didn't notice that Button called our flop bet. This does make calling the flop check/raise a little more tricky since Button can be hogging some of our outs and also might re-pop it. Although I do think with Button in the mix this probably means Villain's hand is on the strong side (and thus our implied odds against him are enticing, although again it's unclear which outs we are comfortable getting stacks in with).

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 07-09-2014 at 11:25 AM.
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