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2/3 Nut FD.  Take great odds in MW pot, or semi-bluff? 2/3 Nut FD.  Take great odds in MW pot, or semi-bluff?

06-26-2016 , 06:15 PM
8 people in the hand (Maybe even 9, don't recall). Some below $120. Main Villain covers hero @$345ish.

Main V, mid 40's Asian dude, casual sporty attire, has been taking lots of sporadic breaks & has maybe seen 25 hands. Nothing that clearly stands out. Limps in ~1/3 of the time. No real post flop reads.

Hero has tight image (1.5 hrs at table), but this hasn't prevented the table from calling large pf bets. Have gotten 2 pf raises to go 3 way. Once, raised $17, other $20 from EP.

5 limps, hero on BTN w/ A3 limps, blinds complete. Didn't see the point in raising as I'd likely face a multi-way flop. Few of the V's were the type to limp Ax-AK/22-JJ along with standard rec-player crap.

Flop ~$18, 962

Blinds check, Main V bets $15, 3 others calls including 2 short stacks, Hero? Do we just join the party, or try to increase the price of admission? I'm not familiar with spots against so many people. Does this just increase potential winnings, or would a or A kill future action anyway? All input appreciated.
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06-26-2016 , 06:23 PM
This is slam dunk call IMO.

If you raise and take it down you win the pot for sure and that's nice but you don't get to stack anyone.

If you raise and end up heads up, you're flipping at best with action to come and a lot of blank turns.

Also I think there's action behind still? If there is you have a nonzero chance of getting shipped on.

A call keeps everybody in and you can felt half the table in one hand. That's the beauty of a nut draw. You can afford to let everybody draw to the same thing.
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06-26-2016 , 06:40 PM
You're never folding out 4 players including 2 short stacks. Happily call and take your 5:1 odds to bink a club on the turn.
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06-26-2016 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
This is slam dunk call IMO.

If you raise and take it down you win the pot for sure and that's nice but you don't get to stack anyone.

If you raise and end up heads up, you're flipping at best with action to come and a lot of blank turns.

Also I think there's action behind still? If there is you have a nonzero chance of getting shipped on.

A call keeps everybody in and you can felt half the table in one hand. That's the beauty of a nut draw. You can afford to let everybody draw to the same thing.
Agree with the call. Lots of good reasons, I'll add two more.

The primary value of fold equity is the ability to win the pot outright. In this case, with V betting 15 into 18 5-way and getting 3 calls, it's very unlikely you'll win the pot outright. Since you are so unlikely to win the pot outright, it's better to call and bring everyone to the turn.

You and V are also somewhat deep. If you raise and get it in now, it's very marginal.
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06-26-2016 , 10:32 PM
Dream call
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06-27-2016 , 12:07 PM
Agree with others......just call.
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06-27-2016 , 12:46 PM
I'm also overlimping here 100% of the time preflop. Just raise solid premium hands at very loose limpy tables (especially since we have little preflop/postflop FE in multiway pots and best hand will most likely win) and otherwise try to get into pots for cheap with these guys by overlimping our speculative hands, imo.

We're already getting out immediate odds to draw, so I just take them. Anyone donking out from EP into eleventeen players should be taken seriously, so I'm guessing we typically don't have a lotta FE. If someone else has a flush draw, we don't want to fold them out.

GABC,imoG
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