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Old 05-21-2018, 05:30 PM   #1
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$2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

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V: Older South East Asian Male, Mid 40s.

Hand #1:

Hero ($450 Effective) Limp J6 in CO, V($350 Effective) limps button and go to a flop 5 ways.

Flop: 652

Checks to Hero who bets $10, V calls as does limper in MP.

Turn: J

Checks to Hero who bets $45, V then Jams for approximately 300 more.
Hero tank folds.

Hand #2:

(This was the 4th hand in a row that I had raised or 3b preflop as I got AA, QQ, AA, KK)

Hero ($950 Effective) 3b KK on the button to $45 after a MP raise. Action folds to V($850) who calls from the SB, everyone else folds.

Flop: JT3

V checks, Hero continues $50, V calls.

Turn: 5

V checks, Hero bets $70, V quickly makes it $370 with about $400 behind. Hero tank folds.

Both of these hands put me in a similar situation.

Hand #1: My hand is obviously underrepresented. I dont think I am ever put on top two here. He could have anything as it was a limped pot, possible combo draw, possibly flopped a straight. I was leaning more towards a call, but I cant imagine what kind of hands he limp, calls then jams comfortably if he was doing so comfortably.

Hand #2: I either jam or fold. Calling and folding to a river jam is more or less burning money. I have the K so I block a lot of premium flush draws including KQ it seems like I am just going crazy when in fact I am just betting for value with premium hands. In which situation is he buying the pot because he thinks I am just weak? In what situation am I calling off with just 1 pair when he still has 100BB+ behind.

Both hands I have a minimal amount invested in the hand so I ended up finding folds in both situations.
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Old 05-21-2018, 06:02 PM   #2
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

Hand 1 is an easy fold pre, but if you saw the 64o showdown before this hand there’s not a chance I am folding to him now. I probably don’t fold to him in either one of these hands after seeing these showdowns
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:09 PM   #3
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

Hand #1: Fold pre. As played, your fold is cringe-worthy. I would beat him into the pot. This Villain overlimping the BTN probably has all combos of J5 and 56 in his range.

Hand #2: Your bet sizing post flop is horrendous. Why did you bet less than half pot against this clown otf? Why did you bet one fourth pot on a great turn card? You are missing so much value.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:17 PM   #4
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

Hand 1 is autofold preflop. Given the context I think calling is better in hand 1. Situation isn't as deep and villain can be jamming a worse 2 pair for value plus lots of pair+draw type hands. In your example villain jammed 2nd pair+bad draw, he isn't worried about hand strength.

Hand 2 is more about the interplay after you raise/reraise 4 hands in a row. How many of those hands villain saw and how they played out matters a lot. In hand 2 I would often check turn against this sort of villain. Cut off one round of betting and force him to go first on river. Also your turn bet is too small and could easily have induced a raise from an overly aggressive villain, if you are going to bet don't bet small unless you plan to call.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:21 PM   #5
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

Why would you check the turn? Villain sucks and has tons of Jx and draws in his range that don't fold.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:26 PM   #6
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

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Hand #1: Fold pre. As played, your fold is cringe-worthy. I would beat him into the pot. This Villain overlimping the BTN probably has all combos of J5 and 56 in his range.

Hand #2: Your bet sizing post flop is horrendous. Why did you bet less than half pot against this clown otf? Why did you bet one fourth pot on a great turn card? You are missing so much value.
Right, I normally dont play J6 suited or not in any position unless im getting a good price in blinds.

What would the merit to betting 2/3 OTF be over a 1/2 bet? I block a lot of combinations and given his play he could be super wide so I am giving him a chance to float with things such as flush draws, though my turn bet in retrospect was horrible and far too small.

Do you also see this as an all in or fold? Like I had mentioned, I dont think calling the raise and folding to any river bet would be a profitable long term play for every variable mentioned including the price I would be getting.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:33 PM   #7
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

Idk what you mean by "giving him a chance to float a flush draw." This guy called a 3b out of position with 64o. He obviously would not fold any draw or middle pair to even a pot sized bet on this flop. That's why you need to bet much more to maximize value against this moron.

As played, I would jam turn.
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Old 05-21-2018, 07:50 PM   #8
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

H1: As already said, fold pre and call the jam

H2: The flop definitely connects strongly with a typical V's calling range but this V's range is so wide. The turn is a complete brick, so I don't think I'm checking that turn either. If it were an Q, 9, 8 or club, that's a different story and I'd check it behind. I also agree that your sizing was too small. Based on you having raised 4 hands in a row, the perception will be that your range pre was wider and I could see V making this play with KJ, QJ as well as some flush draws and combo draws. I think I'd bet larger and then call his jam here.
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Old 05-21-2018, 08:20 PM   #9
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

My constructive criticism would be to take a few days and sit down to construct your ranges from all positions to include your 3bet n fold to 3 bet ranges from all positions and go from there.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:47 PM   #10
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

H1:

J6s is junk, imo, so I fold preflop.

I'm cool with the flop bet.

I'm cool with the bet/fold on the turn. Note that our hand isn't underrepped at all; an overcard came and yet we still PSB into 2 opponents. We could easily have a nutted hand here, which is why I'm totally fine with the fold.


H2:

Has anyone being seeing the previous hands as the monsters they are? If so, then more reason to just flat preflop (which will most likely result in a HU pot anyways with just blinds to act and we don't turn our hand face up on the table deep). If no one has been seeing our hands and it's possible we might have a aggro image, then fine.

Kinda a gross flop, imo, as JJ/TT are like 2 of the biggest coldcalling hands to 3bets. Still, there are draws, so I'm cool with a bet (but I'm likely hero folding if raised).

Turn I'm either/or. There's enough draws that I'm ok with a bet/fold. But I'm also cool with checking back and turning my hand into a bluffcatcher (looking like a busted AK).


Both hands played fine postflop, imo.

ETA: I didn't read the spoiler which I'm assuming is the read on the Villain. In which case, I'd much rather check back the turn with the KK hand to setup a bluffcatcher. The J6 hand I'm probably still cool with a bet/fold since there's another player involved.

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Old 05-22-2018, 02:12 PM   #11
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Re: $2/3 NL: Two Big Folds

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Hand #1: Fold pre. As played, your fold is cringe-worthy. I would beat him into the pot. This Villain overlimping the BTN probably has all combos of J5 and 56 in his range.

Hand #2: Your bet sizing post flop is horrendous. Why did you bet less than half pot against this clown otf? Why did you bet one fourth pot on a great turn card? You are missing so much value.
+1 to all of this, especially the cringe worthy fold in H1.
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