So the V in this hand is same as in this other post. I got incredibly lucky w/ an awful play and stacked his 88 w/ my 99 by jamming turn. I like to think I'm usually not so spewy, but I was coming off several sessions filled with coolers & was tilt-prone. In general, the V is loose passive pre-flop and tag post flop. He seems to overvalue TP. I've yet to see him chase or bet open-enders and FDs.

I usually play TAG, but have been on a hot streak so I might appear more LAG. A few hands prior I won a big pot w/ KK also. Mostly everyone limped to me in CO, I raised to $22 and got 6 callers. Made a 2/3pot C-bet on Q high heart-draw board. Got called by BTN w/ Q8hh. A 1/4 pot bet OTT got BTN ai and I stacked.


The Hand

V's on BTN w/~$500 eff

BB ~$400 eff is tricky loose player who recently sat down. I played with him before where he was tilting from getting AA cracked 3x in a row. Will call wide PF.


Folds to Hero in MP, bets $20 w/ KK V calls on BTN, BB calls, flop 3 way.

Flop $56

J53

check, Hero bets $35, V calls, BB folds.

Turn: $126

4

H bets $75, call

River: $275, $370 left in stack.

2

Hero..?

Should this be a scare card to check/call, or would it be better to bet/fold to extract more value from Jx type hands?

Bet/fold $110

Probably small to entice a call.

Vs some it's ok to check/call. Others, have to bet/fold. From my understanding of our V, it's a Bet/fold. Can even mix in check/fold vs some.

This depends so much on the V. I usually b/f here, but against a V who can't help representing when a draw comes in, I'll c/c.

River c/f. Too many Ax in your perceived range for him to pay off light. He seems to be a non complete station who has a fold button.

KK looks like it's still holding up most of the time here so I think by not b/f you would be giving up some value. I would b/f 140

Preflop has setup an SPR of ~7 to ~8.5. Does anyone think we are capable of 4barrelling air? If not, I'm guessing 3 postflop bets aren't going to be paid off if we're the one doing it, no?

Anyhoo, flop is *extremely* dry, so I'd be cool with checking it, underrepping our hand, and setting up a bluffcatcher.

Anyhoo, due to our smallish flop/turn bets we've somehow managed to do a fairly good job of not getting stacks in play by the river. By the river however, pretty much everything has gotten there (including AJ). Is this guy capable of bluffing TP (which he may realize he will have to do if we're betting small on a 4th street)? If so, I would probably lean towards a check/fold, or perhaps calling a small bet.

ETA: Typically I'd lean towards bet/folding, but jeez it just seems *so* thin given that Jx ain't paying off a lot since our AK/AQ just backdoored the straight. If Jx ain't paying off a lot, my guess is typically any money we put in on the river is at a loss on this runout, no? If I was comfortable that he wouldn't play back at a small bet, I honestly don't think I'd go more than like a lol $50 (but even that seems like a waste if it ain't getting paid off a lot).

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Using this as a bluffcatcher isn't good. There are some draws to get value from, and we should be b/b/jamming on good runouts to stack Jx. Also, we are c-betting a lot of our air here so we need to cbet our value as well. When we have the range advantage, we just need to be betting.

Flop is a definite bet, otherwise we basically can't ever c-bet bone dry flops, which seems awful.

I don't see the value in betting the river. Are we really expecting KJ or QJ to call? Even droolers will see that if we missed the flop with AK/AQ we just pulled ahead. Bet is way too thin.

Whether river is a c/c or c/f is the real question. Given the other hand you posted with this V, I think we can profitably bluff catch, but sizing will matter.