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09-13-2019 , 04:06 PM

dmb41

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2/3 live, 2 main players have effective stacks of $500 and short stack has ~100 to start the hand. Villain (HJ) is a TAG-ish reg that I've played with before. He usually plays pretty solid, but he is capable of 3 barrel bluffing on the right board textures.

UTG+1 raises to 15, LJ calls 15, HJ calls 15, hero calls 15 with 67hh on button for 15, both blinds fold.

Pot = $63

Flop: 6s2h8h

UTG+1 checks, LJ checks, HJ bets 40, hero calls 40, UTG + 1 folds, LJ goes all-in for 88 total, HJ calls 44, hero calls 44.

Pot = $327

Turn: 7s

HJ bets $300, hero ?

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09-13-2019 , 04:15 PM

sixsevenoff

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Get it in and be happy about it

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09-13-2019 , 04:23 PM

MikeStarr

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I hate to be rude, but you really shouldn't call raises with 76s if you're unsure about this spot. Its really a super easy All in. It would be a easy all in even if the HJ bet less, but as it it, you only have $405ish left and he just bet $300.

PS...raise the flop the first time and/or jam all in the second time it gets back to you.

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09-13-2019 , 04:29 PM

dmb41

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

No need to apologize, I appreciate the feedback. I just started playing again after a very very long break and the games are waaaay different from what I’m accustomed to. I’m still trying to adjust to the crazy aggression and I’m not used to it.

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09-13-2019 , 04:31 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

I like jamming the second time around, but not raising the first. Why do we need to raise a hand that has great equity and is ahead of all bluffs at the same time?

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09-13-2019 , 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dmb41

HJ probably has something like JJ/TT/99 and thinks you have a FD. If he has a set, you're just going down with the ship (still have outs though)

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09-13-2019 , 04:36 PM

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I like jamming the second time around, but not raising the first. Why do we need to raise a hand that has great equity and is ahead of all bluffs at the same time?

Because I want to win the hand with middle pair as often as possible. HJ isnt betting $40 on the flop into 3 people as a bluff. We can forget about keeping bluffs in. He almost always has our 6s beat but he will rarely have a hand strong enough that he can call a big raise with when this deep. He will be scared to death if he has something like TT/99 and we raise.

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09-13-2019 , 04:46 PM

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The all-in reopened the betting on the flop, so it is a little surprising to see him bomb turn when he could have just popped the flop again.

I actually like just calling the turn - so many one pair hands fold to the all in that just will stuff it into us on a bunch of rivers.

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09-13-2019 , 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

The all-in reopened the betting on the flop, so it is a little surprising to see him bomb turn when he could have just popped the flop again.

I actually like just calling the turn - so many one pair hands fold to the all in that just will stuff it into us on a bunch of rivers.

Hes going to fold an overpair for $100 when the pot will be like $1050?

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09-13-2019 , 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Hes going to fold an overpair for $100 when the pot will be like $1050?

Sorry, I thought he had 405 left - I can’t count. Jam away.

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09-14-2019 , 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

This.

Like sure we’re turning our 6 into a bluff. But not really; even versus a hand like red JJ we’re a virtual flip. In big multi-way pots, just play the equity in your hand.

IOW, you get it through, you win like 33 bb immediately. You get jammed on, that’s not even the end of the world.

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09-14-2019 , 04:45 AM

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just get it in. we're only super screwed if villain has T9hh or 54hh and against the latter we still have a good amount of outs. although I like jamming the flop after LJ jams. given he has only 88 when the action gets to him most of the time here he is either going to jam or fold and when he jams he reopens the action and allows us to jam. we have a hand that is never going to be in very bad shape against HJ regardless of range for the potential side pot and there is plenty of money already in the main pot.

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09-14-2019 , 04:59 AM

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dmb41

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Thanks for all the feedback. Good stuff and it makes sense.

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09-14-2019 , 06:43 AM

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what are the results of the hand? even if you folded you should have seen a showdown.

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09-14-2019 , 07:06 AM

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dmb41

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I shoved turn and HJ has 22 and LJ has 88.

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09-14-2019 , 08:30 AM

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Raise flop first time around. Jam it the second time.

Stuffing equity is the funnest part of having a 100 BB stack.

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09-14-2019 , 08:40 AM

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Raise flop first time around. Jam it the second time.

Stuffing equity is the funnest part of having a 100 BB stack.

OP and main villain were 167BBs deep..but yes, jamming chips with lots of equity is very fun. I'm normally hoping they call even when I know I'm behind at that moment.

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09-15-2019 , 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dmb41

I shoved turn and HJ has 22 and LJ has 88.

set over set over two pair with a flush draw is such a rare setup situation that you shouldn't let the results prejudice your decision in this hand

if we jammed the flop we still have 34% equity to win the pot. there is 327 in the pot and we would be getting it in for 435 against HJ. we have 35% equity vs HJ. while we are not getting direct odds here because of the varied chip stacks, against all hands HJ would flat here given action we have enough equity to shove.

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