Game is playing loose preflop. Villain is an older gentleman who is splashy pre and post, not an OMC. We both have 240 to start the hand.

utg limps, villain limps mp, button limps, I make it 20 from sb with AdJx. Bb and all 3 limpers call.

Flop (100)
Qd Jd 7x

Hero (220) checks
BB and utg check
Villain (220) bets 20
Button fold
Hero calls, BB (covers) calls, utg folds

I considered c/r flop because his bet is so weak but if he flats I have no idea what to do on the then and I just bloated the pot.

Turn (160)
Qd Jd 7x Ac

Hero (200) ??

I fear that if I check and it gets checked through I give free cards to all kinds of draws. If I bet and get jammed on I'm looking at KT pretty often but bet folding with this stack to pot seems atrocious.

I wonder if check/jamming the flop is best vs this sizing. I don't think villain has a strong made hand when he bets 20, and I don't think any of the other players who have checked behind me have done so with a strong made hand. Villain will prob fold all Qx that aren't 2 pair or he may just shrug call it off with a combo draw or 7xdd which wouldn't be a terrible result.

I think your mistake was in 3 betting AJo from the blinds when you're 70BB deep. Also, if you are going to 3 bet then need to be leading out in this spot. If not leading, then should've been a check-raise all-in. Kind of botched all around....as played.....whatever you do from here is kind of a toss up.

I didn't 3bet, everyone in the pot had limped. I don't think leading out into 5 players on this board is going to work out too well.

I think my first mistake was not raising larger pre. At the time I thought 20 would get me HU or 3 way to the flop but evidently I was wrong.

With loose splashy (tricky?) players, and with this kinda mehish A, I think I'd rather just see a flop here. I hate the fact we went 5way OOP with a mehish A OOP (which is totally what we expected, right?).

I probably just check/fold the flop. I mean, sure, we're getting a great price on the flop, but what's our plan? Are we hoping the other guy checks it down in position on the turn/river? That ain't a great plan, imo.

Oh, I see, our plan was to hit our ~5 outer (where some of those outs could be dirty).

We have two pair and just a little over a PSB left against a splashy player. I'm guessing he would typically have raised almost all hands that are beating us preflop / bet more on the flop, with the possible exception of KT. So I consider myself nutted and committed. I think I might actually just shove here with these stacks (what, are we going to bet $120 and leave $80 into $400 for the river?).

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It's sometimes okay to give a free card if checking induces a river bluff from hands that fold to a turn bet. If you checked and villain checks behind, I'd probably check the river often.

Splashy is a vague read in hindsight. I don't think the players are particularly tricky, but they are going to peel too loose of a range preflop vs my range that makes it 20 from the small blind. And I also expect them to play too loose post vs my range. The limpers will call
With Ax and Jx hands that I dominate and will payoff too often post. Vs these particular players I think simply completing pre with AJo would be criminal.

I do agree that my flop plan was sub par.

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I would have raised the flop. As played, I probably go ahead and lead this river, but stack sizes are awkward so not sure how much. $100 - $200 (shove). I want them to call with QJ and their diamond draws (and maybe even A7, but doubtful). If they have KT, so be it. I'm probably going broke here, although I usually regret it with two pair.

I guess you could check/raise or just give up and check/fold (yuck) or hope it checks through and a good card comes on the river.

We've had recent threads regarding this (i.e. the dangers of going multiway postflop with TP type hands in raised pots). I think there are two camps on this, and I'm admittedly in the minority camp. I don't think preflop is as simple as "I'm getting called by dominated hands who will payoff postflop, so I raise", but I'll leave at that.

Fair enough, thank you for the input and the clarification

Pre: If the limpers limp/fold a lot, I'm raising big. If they don't, and the pot will go multiway, I'm folding pre. AJs is a complete for me, but AJo is fold/raise. Usually a fold.

If we raise, we gotta make it big and squeeze properly. $30-$36 is a good amount. $20 is terrible, just creating a bloated multiway pot with a horrible RIO OOP. I'm pretty confident I would lose money with AJo from the SB by completing, or by raising small like you did.

Check/folding this flop.

Now I'm stacking off on this turn. Not because we are ahead of their GII range (we aren't) but because the overlay is large enough that it will be profitable to GII here against straights, AQ, discounted sets, worse two pairs, and flush draws calling with bad odds.

Pre and flop are good. X/c turn, x/decide river.

$30 pre. This way you likely get hu and u can stack off even if all limpers call when u hit. As played bet calling $100 can't be too bad. You can even check fold turn if they play really straightforward. Bet folding blank rivers

The Pre flop raise was not so great considering we have call happy villans. We can never expect to be super happy on most flops. On the flop I think we have to cal such an lol small bet. On the turn you should be thrilled, you likely just took the lead and the only real draw that got there is K10.

I think if we expect the villain to be betting really small again I like a check raise jam for value. We squeeze someone me value out of bluffs and we can charge the draws a bad price with one card to come.

Next time you go to raise out of the blinds think a it what you are trying to accomplish. Avoid goin to auto raise mode and really think about the situation.

I think the fact that you are unsure what to do in this spot when you have The 2nd best 2 pair hand would sort of prove GGs point. You have to be able to navigate post flop incredible well when you whiff the flop or flop marginal hands, which is the vast majority of the time. It's unnecessary variance that you could avoid. With this type you could simply just pick your spots and increase the pot when you have a higher equity edge.

What is a resonable limp calling range for them? Vs limp calling range of the typical live stake villian AJ is likely not even a favorite multi way even when dominated hands are included.

Ya, when you stove it, it's not as if we're exactly crushing a multiway field's selection of hands. And on top of that, AJ is way way way harder to play postflop than, say, 87s or 66 (although admittedly there will be some in the mix with equally hard to play hands of KJ / etc.). Plus OOP.

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I did the same thing and our equity edge was like 2% multi way and oop. This is the perfect table to play tag and set up low SPRs with big pocket pairs and AK