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09-06-2016 , 05:29 PM

AllinPark

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2/5

EP loose passive fish limps 500 eff
Hero raises mp 20 KTss 500 eff
BTN tag fish calls white sixties (covers)
Limper calls
Flop (60) K84r ck hero checks Btn bets 45
Fold hero calls.
Turn (150) Tss hero checks Btn checks
River Jh. Hero bets 115 v raises to 300
Hero? Snap fold? I don't want too lol.

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09-06-2016 , 05:35 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Tag fish?

Obviously possible, but what makes him fishy?
The only value hands that make sense here are KJ and K8 (sort of).

He could have 88 and 44 but not sure why he'd check the turn.

We're getting 3:1 and we beat 6x K8, lose to 3x 88, 3x 44, 6x KJ, and maybe 4 combos of lol played AQ. Prolly have to call?

Really just depends what he does with K8. If he's actually a tag then he never has K8 and you're always losing. If he does have K8 then he's just a lose fish and we can't fold.
It's prolly KJ about 85% of the time though.

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09-06-2016 , 06:29 PM

AllinPark

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

Instead of tag fish I think I should have used the word NIT. He's been very tight and always comes in for a raise rather than limping. But he's a Rec player on vacation.

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09-06-2016 , 06:35 PM

pgcounty

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Any reason not to bet flop bet turn?

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09-06-2016 , 07:08 PM

AllinPark

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Sorry turn was Tcc
I have Ts

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09-06-2016 , 07:46 PM

iraisetoomuch

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Ok, so he's tight but always comes in for a raise.

This means that his range shouldn't ever have K8 here.
So we fold. Easy game.

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09-07-2016 , 03:09 AM

AllinPark

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Ok thanks guys. I called and he had AQo

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09-07-2016 , 03:13 AM

Gj Gj

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Originally Posted by AllinPark

Ok thanks guys. I called and he had AQo

I don't think nits bet AQo on the flop. Maybe get a better read of V.

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09-07-2016 , 03:32 AM

Blue Eyed Samurai

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Grunch: Not sure what 'tag fish' means. 'white 60s' guy = Old Man Coffee, weak/tight I guess?

FFS why are we checking the flop and turn?

As played, I insta-fold to big river raises from OMC types; this is never a bluff and we don't beat any value hand. KJ is probably the bottom of his range here.

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09-07-2016 , 06:07 AM

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OMGMileyCyrus

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Lol at calling someone a fish then checking flop and turn.

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09-07-2016 , 06:45 AM

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Blue Eyed Samurai

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Originally Posted by OMGMileyCyrus

Lol at calling someone a fish then checking flop and turn.

+1. And then calls the river raise. Has anyone seen a 60yr old white guy check/call, check, raise river as a bluff?

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09-07-2016 , 06:55 AM

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ZuneIt

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Originally Posted by AllinPark

Ok thanks guys. I called and he had AQo

Oh my! The "tight-rec-fish" can try & buy a pot! Good thing you read his "soul."

His almost a "min-raise" sure did look like a "please call raise" to me!

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09-07-2016 , 07:52 AM

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proBono

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pre and flop seem bad ..

As played:

b/f turn 100

b/f river 180

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09-07-2016 , 09:08 AM

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OMGMileyCyrus

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Seriously why did we 3 bet pre? We get that flop so why do we check it ? We make top 2 on turn again why the hell are we checking ? What kind of flop are you looking for to c bet after you 3 bet pre? I don't mean to come off as a dick I am just trying to understand.

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09-07-2016 , 09:41 AM

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Ranma4703

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt

Oh my! The "tight-rec-fish" can try & buy a pot! Good thing you read his "soul."

His almost a "min-raise" sure did look like a "please call raise" to me!

Villain had a straight

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09-07-2016 , 12:20 PM

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Man of Means

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I fold that river so fast. Not sure what's up with flop and turn...give free cards much?

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09-07-2016 , 12:28 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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This whole hand is very odd.

pre is standard I feel.

Flop is a bet if we have BDFD IMO, I may check without it, but that is super player dependent

turn is a bet 100% of the time IMO

River is probably a bet and then a fold to OMC check turn, raise river action. Rarely a bluff imo

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09-07-2016 , 12:48 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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so when you turned top two, you didn't bet? in a headup pot, that you raised pre with?

it sure looks like he has a set. I don't think that he would raise you with KJ when AQ gets there.

whatever he has beats you, so fold.

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