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02-17-2014 , 02:36 AM
At todays session I stumbled into this situation.

About the villain: I sat down 2 orbits ago, and the villain doubled me up early. I flopped the nut straight, and he tried to bluff me off on the turn with one pair and a gutshot. I asked to see his cards and he snapped something like "why you want to see my cards when you have the nuts?", I told him for information.

Villain rebought back to $300 and loosened up drastically (openraising calling a lot). Then this happens:

Villain mid pos ($280). Hero: A9 cutoff ($440). Villain openraises to $15, hero calls, everybody else folds. Flop 56J. Villain checks, hero checks. Turn A. Villain bets $40, hero calls. River: K. Villain pushes allin for $225.

Hero?
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02-17-2014 , 02:53 AM
Since he's opening allot, how does this $15 open compare? Is it allot? Average? Seems kinda heavy. Big ace looks good here, mabe even AK.

Hero folds. TPMK isn't a great hand to put in a buyin on without further reads.

And resolves to quit being such a douche and pissing off his customers.
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02-17-2014 , 03:04 AM
By his, I assume your reffering to me. He raised me allin on the turn so asking to see the cards is default.

$15 is at the high end for an openbet (he bet $12 two or three time).
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02-17-2014 , 03:20 AM
It doesn't matter when he shoves. He conceded the pot so you should be happy to stack chips. You do appreciate that when you ask to see the hand, it is live, right? And if V happened to mis-read his hand and has a winner, you don't get the chips? Let him continue to spew. Buy him a drink. Don't antagonize him.
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02-17-2014 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tigeraaw
I asked to see his cards and he snapped something like "why you want to see my cards when you have the nuts?", I told him for information.
Don't be this guy. If I call, I usually wait a while to encourage an opponent to show, sometimes longer than others depending on the situation, but it's generally never a good idea to ask outright. Saying "for information," afterwards just makes it that much worse. I guess if you must, you could just keep waiting and then say, "I called you" if they don't muck, but even that is rarely a good idea.

For one thing, it irritates them and might make them less inclined to keep playing with you if they have a choice. More importantly, if they're bluffing with garbage and forced to show it, that could embarrass them and discourage them from continuing to bluff so much, which is exactly what you don't want.
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02-17-2014 , 12:58 PM
fold pre-flop. A9o is a terrible hand to call a PFR with.

fold river. We're getting a pretty bad price to call. We need a really strong read that he's bluffing to make this call.
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02-17-2014 , 01:58 PM
I don't say this often, but preflop is a fold vs 3bet for me. I probably just fold (especially since Villain is probably unlikely to fold to a light 3bet and we're going to get in sticky situations postflop), but otherwise our best chance to win is to 3bet / cbet, imo. What's our postflop plan by just flatting here (especially if things end up multiway, which would just suck so much)?

Again, I don't understand our plan. Villain checks to us on the flop and we check behind? Are we just calling with crap preflop and trying to hit a hand? Or are we thinking of getting to showdown with A high and hoping it's good? Have to have a plan.

I would also just call the turn at this point.

Sucky spot on the river. Villain has been known to spew and attempt to push us off hands. But in the end it's a $225 bet into just a $110 pot. I fold.

ETA: Add good point by horny bull, don't piss off your customers by asking to see their hand, etc. Play nice and get paid off, imo.

GplanyourhandG
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02-17-2014 , 02:32 PM
A9o is a terrible hand for calling a raise. Catching one pair is going to leave you flying blind. That is all the worse against a tilting play because he could spew off with garbage, but unless you catch two pair+ your hand is never going to be strong enough to be really confident of calling.

As played, river is a terrible situation but the over shove is a fold unless you really read him for steaming. Pot odds are just so bad you need to be really convinced he is bluffing before you can call, because you only beat the pure bluffs. He could be tilting off with AT/AQ here and still be ahead of you.
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