Playing 6 or 7 handed, villain 1 open CO. Fish on BU calls, I call in SB (7d 8d )…..

$360 effective stacks...2/3 blinds

Fish: by far the mark. plays very wide pf, all suited hands, etc. mostly passive, calling is his preferred option with junk, can be bet off hands but mostly tanks on every decision and calls. occasionally spews or "value" raises Ax rags pre flop IP because it's "an Ace". also iso'ing him always results in a call as do multiple callers preflop.

Villain 1: solid thinking player (was taking notes on phone)…playing TAG, made sure to complete stack to 100bb after tough beat…. Had Cbet every PFR I had seen him make @ this point. I had seen him get away from hands when facing aggression.

CO opens to $12, fish calls OTB, I call SB w/ 7d 8d
>>Flop ($36): 8c 9c 5s
I check SB, PFR cbets $30, BU (fish) folds, and I call SB

>>Turn ($96): Td
I donk lead $60, PFR tanks for almost 4 minutes and calls.

>>River ($216): 8s
I lead out for 100

** My thoughts were to play the hand "differently / non-standard" because of villain being a better thinking player….After taking the lead OTT, I could bluff FD OTR, my OESD could hit, etc……Just curious on what you guys think about donk leading the turn and river in this spot (HU against good player)

Thanks for the feedback!

I'd fold pre.

OTF, what's the plan for the rest of the hand?

I don't know what to make of the turn, kind of going back to the question... what was the plan. Would you have bluffed any card?, only overs?...

AP, otr I have a tough time giving a correct sizing because I don't know what you're trying to rep.

It's a good strategy to not play ABC vs thinking opponents, but there should be plenty of opportunity to just not play hands vs thinking opponents at all and focus on the fish.

If he continues on all pots he raises then I like the lead Ott. Another connected card comes really giving ur precieved range a ton of made hands.

We are either leading for value/dead money since he never folds a pair here Ott but will fold big A.

Question is what happens if he re raises? How much equity do we have to continue? Because of that I think we can smaller and still achieve same result.

If he calls turn like u described you have to bomb rivers for a bluff that's for sure. We need him to fold JJ QQ if we don't hit.

As played we can VB 100-120 safely

$216 in the pot? I think you could've gotten away with betting more on the turn than $100.

I'd say go up to $130.

Pre is fine against a TAG with a solid opening range and a fish coming along. I'd prefer we be IP but I think it's okay.

We're playing SC's for straight/flush/two pair/trips value when we hit and to put pressure on opponents when we flop draws (and even then, strong draws). I think calling is the worst of our three options OTF. You said he can get away from hands when shown aggression, so if we improve OTT are we ever getting paid off by him? Also, if Villain has c-bet 100% after being the PFR, calling here gives us no info on what his range might be.

Not too many Villain's will fold an overpair here at $1/$2, at least not OTF. (His sizing also looks pretty strong here.) I think check/fold > check/raise > check/call. You'll have to continue barreling OTT if you raise the flop and he calls. He might get sticky with JJ+ and that forces us to triple barrel which sucks.

As played I could go either way on donking the turn. It makes your hand look a lot like two pair or a pair+FD. He's probably not going to give you credit for a straight/set because most people would raise OTF on such a wet board. After he tanks that long his range has to be JJ+ IMO.

Aside from an offsuit 6 the offsuit 8 was the best card you could've hoped for OTR. I think $125-$140 will get a call from him. He might hope you have T9 and just got counterfeited.

I'm guessing preflop is close. The raise size is pretty small, so we're getting good implieds with our stacks. Plus the fish is trapped in the hand. Plus it's possible the BB might come along to create a more multiway pot. But on the downside, we'll be OOP, we might just go 3way, and we're not going to make any money off the solid guy. I probably lean towards a fold.

I probably fold the flop. The raiser just bet a ~PSB on a drawy board which ain't great to cbet (nothing to rep here) with a fish trapped in the hand; this is starting to look like a bet for pure value, imo. The fish is no longer trapped in the hand, and we'll be OOP on the turn where things simply aren't going to get any easier.

It seems we're semi-bluffing the turn, which means we're pretty sure we were behind on the flop, no? So if we're pretty sure we were behind on the flop, why did we call? Just to try to pull some FPS move and try to get villain off an overpair? I really don't try to get FPS against good players OOP, I think this is leading towards the spewy side. ETA: In general, I think trying to get anyone to fold an overpair is a bad play.

On the river, we actually lucked out and probably made the nuts against this guy. I think there is enough busted draws where this guy is going to consider calling a shove (which isn't all that much of an overbet) with his overpair. So I would shove.

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Grunching ...

Pre - I'd probably fold given the opponent and being oop. In the moment, I might call, depending if I can get any read on the PFR.
Flop - Fold, not all outs are good, facing a thinking opponent, fish folded.

As played, I think you're turn & river line are fine. I'd probably size river ~$115-$125.

Just fold flop, maybe you can call flop if you had a bd fd. As for turn donk. Its really terrible given the fact that most people just don't double this board without an over pair. So you are bloating the pot oop for no reason.
Otr bet more man, you have like the lucky nuts. Bet 200, villains calling range ott is not AK. Its an over pair. You missed value.

+1

I don't mind the play at all...

Turn donk bet accomplishes a few things:
1. It works as a blocker bet...causing you to not have to let go of your hand on the turn if he bets $80 or $90.
2. Gets villain to fold air (overcards)...can't peel off a free river card if it goes check check.
3. You have middle pair and open ended now. Also have a chance to bluff on river if another club hits the board.
4. Villain is not going to raise you on the turn with just an overpair...looks like you have 2 pair.

I would prefer a bet of around $150 when you hit trips on the river though.

Oops, totally misread the turn. Erase my turn comment, now bet even more on the river.

I don't mind c/c the flop based on the read that villain its cbetting 100%. But I think if we're doing that we need to be doing it with the intention of repping strength and trying to win the pot on the turn if we don't hit something. Given the c/c on the flop, I prefer checking the turn with the intention of raising most bets unless I read him as particularly strong.

As played, bet more on the river.

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I agree with the fold pre crowd. We have the god seat on this fish so I'm not itching to play with him the one hand he has position on us if it means we have to also be OOP to a good player with initiative. If the BU were a player with a fold button this would be a great 3b spot, but with him being a fish we just don't have the FE we need.

I don't particularly mind a flop c/r sometimes if he'll fold TP but c/c is also fine. Definitely not gonna c/f to someone with a 100% c-bet frequency so far.

I agree with the sentiment here. The T is a really good card for our range and not a great one for his perceived range (probably not bad for his actual range imo but still better for yours). I think you can check and be reasonably confident that he's only going to bet with fairly strong hands. I'd probably c/f to a big bet or c/c a small one giving you odds to draw.

GG seems to think that villain has a very overpair heavy range, and if that's the case, then a turn c/r(ai?) would be super sexy and probably very +EV. The problem is, I think that this guy probably has a pretty wide CO PFR range, meaning relatively few of his value hands are overpairs compared to all the straights/2pairs/sets/JT/whatever other weird pair+draw. If he folds everything short of sets and straights then it's still probably +EV to c/r, but I'd prefer to have a read that he can make big folds before I tried that.

River bet is fine; definitely don't jam. I might go like $125 but that's about it. Villain should have a hard time calling a shove with just 2p on this board.