Villain an aggressive thinking player, at times loose and splashy but was currently playing tight probably because he understands that I have position on him 300bb deep.

Hero's been playing tight, running good and crushing the game.

Preflop action
8 handed

Villain ($900) raises to $11 UTG+1

Young tight rec ($400) flats next to act

Hero ($1,200) flats T T in the Cutoff
Honestly, I could probably just fold here preflop and not be giving up that much EV in a game that rakes 2bb per hand, but I suck at being a nit. TT not in stellar shape vs UTG's opening range.

Crazy drunk chick ($80) makes it $30 from smallblind. She can literally have anything here.

Villain just calls, as does the young rec. For a second I consider back 4betting since villain would probably 4bet AA/KK but decide to just call.



FLOP ($120) 5 5 2

Crazy drunk girl checks
Villain bets $100
Young rec folds
Hero calls
Drunk chick folds


TURN ($320) 7
Villain instantly bets $100 again, hero calls.

RIVER ($520) blank (offsuit 3, 4, or 6 don't remember)
villain instantly bets $100, hero calls

Any other options at any point in the hand?

pre is standard call (how can you even consider folding?? even 22 is standard call)
when crazy chick 3bets pre you have allot of dead money in the pot, given UTG+1 flatted I think this is a really good spot to 4bet to something like $110

flop call is good,given the odds on turn and river I don't think I would have found a fold myself, I mean on the river we're getting more than 6:1 and there's an off chance he's overplaying 8s or 9s
(I do however have a tendency to get value towned by donks who bet same amount 3 streets, curious what others have to say about this hand)

How clearly does your hand look like a decent pp after you call the flop? Very clearly, like 90%, yet he keeps betting.

You want to fold 10s pre for $11 when you're $900 effective but have no problem calling down $300 praying he has exactly 99?

$11 is a pretty small raise in the 2/3 games I have seen.

He could have a lower pocket pair, we might see him with 99 or 88 here.

Yes, we might also see JJ here.

But for the size of the pot we can't fold the river.

He bet 1/3 pot then 1/5 pot lol

And yes folding pre seems super nitty to me too that's why I didn't do it. But in theory I don't think it's that profitable of a spot vs a competent UTG raising range, and that's what it takes to beat these heavily raked games is only taking the really good spots, not slightly above breakeven preflop calls

He didn't consider 4betting pre, so I rule out AA/KK. That leaves JJ/QQ that I lose to, and he could be making these small blockerish bets with 88/99/TT

All in

Should've mentioned in the OP when I said villain is aggressive, I didn't mean good. He's the bad aggressive like pretty spewy postflop

Call.

Preflop is a still a trivial call. 300BB deep you can play this for set value, against an aggressive spewy villain all the better. When it's raised to $30 the situation actually more marginal. The drunk isn't deep enough that you have any interest in the hand, and the raise is hard on your odds. However, at that point your last to act and the pot is bloated to the point your direct odds are 5:1 so call.

If you where going to fold, flop and turn would be the points to do it. What is villain's preflop range UTG and what portion of that range bets this flop? AA/KK probably move in preflop over the 3 bet, but how low of pairs are making the EP raise and flop lead? Depending on villain I might put a lot of QQ/JJ in his range and fold flop, if I think he is a bit wider but doesn't continue on turn then I could fold then.

By river I'm not folding for $100. If I'm getting to river I put enough hands I beat in his range that I'm always calling getting 6:1. Only folding at that point if I had history with villain that says the same size betting means a monster on river.

Thanks QuadJ. I like your thought process.

I really need to take more time with flop decisions because early street mistakes compound in big bet poker so this is for sure the street to fold IMO after thinking about this hand for a long time. Not excited to play a big pot on the flop, and his bet is indicating this will be the case.

Coming from a heads up online background, it's a huge leap for me to fold overpairs on the flop to a single bet, but I think I can do it just have to remind myself that it's an option

I think I would have played it the same way. I think the back 4-bet pre would have been good, but calling is OK. I can't fold the over-pair on the flop, either, and the next two bets are just to enticing. Not proper poker thinking, but it's what I would have thought/done against a bad, spewy, aggressive player.

What do we make of the $11 EP open from Villain? In my 1/3 NL game, this is typically a very small open, mostly for juicing the pot with a speculative hand, although obviously at times it can be monsters. With some other dead money in the pot and position, I wouldn't hate a 3bet. But I'm also cool with calling.

Is the Villain savvy enough to open a monster small and then flat Crazy's 3bet to suck in some action behind him? There's so much dead money in the pot now, I think I'd lean towards a 4bet. If I don't think Villain is getting tricky here, I'd probably go $150 here and fold to a 5bet. Having said that, I would hate hate hate having to fold a potential monster making hand here, so I don't hate the call either.

I think preflop we have two ways to play a hand like TT. If we go the aggro route, then we're probably going to have to be more sticky postflop (especially in HU pots). However, if we play it more the passive route (which I don't hate), then I think we have to be more ~setminey and willing to let it go early (especially in multiway pots). We've taken the latter route (which I'm ok with), so I would probably just fold the flop. It seems we didn't reraise preflop because we are putting Villain on a big overpair, so I would continue with that thinking where nothing has changed on the flop. He's also betting large into 3 opponents, OOP, which is a strong play.

I know a lot will probably want to call some streets and evaluate, but I just don't think things get much easier. Is Villain really going to slow down enough for calling any street to be profitable?

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River seems like a clear shove, unless you think he's going to call with KK there for some reason.

So we're bluffing?

that would be the point of the shove, that matzah is discussing..

i think the shove is "okay" vs people who have fold buttons but ... its not really a good idea vs a 2/3 opponent.

I preferably like to keep my decisions easy against "thinking" players, as there are only a dozen of them in a live poker room at any given time.

With that being said, if he can be loose and splashy, then this could be one of those points. No real scare cards, although his flat of the small blind 3Bet is interesting and could play a role in this who debacle we find ourselves in.

I probably would have 4Bet, to get more information from V as he is the only player I'm really worried about in the hand.

But, as played, I probably call all streets, no sense in re-raising on either turn or river because then, in a sense, we are turning our hand into a bluff?