game is playing fairly loose and deep avg stack around $500
villain 1 is young competent LAG, second most active player at the table, has just stacked villain 2. villain 1 is either now even or slightly stuck, covers V2 and hero. he's rebought at least twice.
villain 2 is a decent rec, seems like a leaky ABC player, just ran a bluff on villain 1 that didn't work out the last hand where he bluffed into the nuts. probably tilted.
hero has maniac/hyper-LAG image has been swinging a lot during the session and making big bets and checkraises but is not stuck and has only bought in once. hero probably has an RFI of 50% but has not been 3bet once in ~6 hours of play.

$2/$3 blinds
hand is $440 effective
v1 is CO v2 is button hero is SB
hero gets dealt 5s5c
V1 opens to $20 which is his standard open
V2 calls
flop is 643 two clubs
hero checks
V1 bets $20
V2 folds
hero checkraises to $80
V1 calls
turn is A of spades
hero?

so you don't want input on the preflop error or the flop error

now that you've committed yourself and an A came you want input???
pot is $220 you got Eff 340 and shoved right

how is preflop an error? fpr <5% of our stack we obviously have set mining odds here.

I myself agree you have set mining odds

others my have raised here pre

then you check raise the flop

PAHWM
give posters a chance to respond here

I don't like the C/R

your putting in more money when behind and won't get paid off if you hit your 8-outer

checking equilab against a c-bet range here of top set, all overpairs, and AK combos, and all likely flushdraws we have 48% equity so we're not super behind unless i'm missing something here. if we remove AK we have 43% equity so still pretty close. with 1/3rd pot sizing i think V's range here is fairly wide, wide enough to have all of those hands and maybe some random no pair no draw hands that will just fold to x/r.

i feel like this is a standard x/r spot here if we're going to x/r 44, 33, 66 all of the time. i would like to hear arguments why it shouldn't be though.

I would be fine with the check/raise if you didn't have a maniac image. They are just never going to believe you, so check/raise for value, not as a semi-bluff.

If I had a good image, I'd follow through, but with your image, I think all AX are going to call a turn bet, so just check/evaluate. If you are lucky, your check/raise slowed him down a little.

Donk lead ftw,

If he has an A or represents it, if we check and V bets, we pretty much want to fold, or put him on a bluff. I don't think we have equity to call.

I like to just call flop OOP. We're only drawing here.

i considered donking the flop for $50 but we've played around 200 hands so far at this table and have never donked so i went for x/r here. i think donking the straight or Ac5c is a super dirty gangster line but i'm probably x/r sets because its wet board. question becomes what do we donk as a bluff for balance, 45s+65s when we have backdoor flush draw?. i decided on flop that since villain has a fairly wide open range and only is c-betting 1/3rd pot here on the flop and we have high SPR that i'm just going to call-call with flush draws and do the same with 77-TT. i don't know if villain is really going to go for three streets of value with his one pair hands so playing our flush draws this way means we will show up on the river with a pair a lot of times.

the A of spades on the turn is a super interesting card imo because i think it's definitely perceived we can have a lot of nut flush combos here. basically all of the nut flush combos are either combo draws or flush draw + two overs. if we bet $150 what does villain do with JJ? all overpairs besides AA are in a way ahead/way behind spot now

is it that bad though if they don't believe us because we're basically at equilibrium vs our opponents range? fold here is obviously horrible so if we're very marginally behind and OOP shouldn't we just raise because playing OOP sucks and we should have at least some fold equity?

Please put in pot sizes on all streets.

I like it and would definitely bet the turn since we can easily rep the nut flushdraw, as well as a flopped monster. You should have a lot of FE. I'm too lazy to calculated pot sizes and effective stacks left though, so I won't comment on bet sizing.

However, like Java said, I would like to get at least some respect if I'm making these moves. I'm not entirely sure you will get that with a RFI % of 50 (lol).

The point is that I don't think we have any fold equity unless he has absolutely nothing -- and I mean nothing. I don't think he's folding any over-pair or AK and probably not AQ, especially with a club.

You are welcome to bet the turn and hope he folds JJ, but committing with a straight draw with your image is usually not a great idea -- especially when you could easily have three outs.

I mean, you seem pretty confident in your play and that's fine, but against a good, thinking player, you are going to get snapped off often.

How do we ever have three outs?

Sorry, six. (But he V could show up with 5-7 That's my husband's favorite hand.)

it makes a small difference so the 6 was a club so we're never up against Ac6c. i can't remember if it was 4 or 3 that was a club. also even if we were up against Ac6c we would still have 8 outs because we can hit a set.

Our set outs should be mostly live too.

Interestingly enough, 55 is never a XR here.

It's true our XR frequencies go up vs smaller cbet sizing. And with an SPR of between 5-10 (very high SPR's makes XR frequencies go down) But you are choosing the wrong hand to do it with.

When we XR we polarize our range - so we use hands that are monsters and hands that are draws.

And although 55 has a draw, it is not classified as a draw. It is is a made hand that has 8 outs to a straight. It is also a medium strength hand - and theoretically we always want to call with our medium strength hands.

Also think about it this way. What happens to our calling range if we always XR our 5x here? We never have straights on 7 or 2 turns. Which would leave us very exploitable because we would have a range gap OTT.

We should also be donk leading over half our range on this board if we were in the BB. And an even higher frequency since we are in the Small Blind. But if you don't have a donk leading range that is okay too.

my standard play here would be to flat Ac5c and x/r almost all turns im also flat calling 65s and x/r turn at lower frequency so i do have some 5s here when i flat call. i think 5 combos with a 5 are enough here to not need the 6 combos of 55.

in general i don't like to donk lead unless there is a table dynamic where i feel like donking can print money.

I've noticed you're often saying things like this as if your solver (because this is not you speaking, it's your solver, right?) is the be all and end all of poker. "This hand is always a c/r", "that hand is never a call", et cetera. Always with 100% certainty. It's like when you have posted, we might as well close the thread, because the definitive answers have just been given. To be honest I find it somewhat annoying. Don't get me wrong, even though I don't use solvers myself, I find them and their "solutions" highly interesting and definitely attach a lot of value to them whenever someone brings them up. I imagine they're a great learning tool. But could there maybe be more to live low stakes poker played by flawed players who don't really know what they're doing a lot of the time (and I'm including most heroes and certainly myself) and therefore make a lot of random mistakes? More than just blindly adhering to what your solver has to say?

That is backwards. You should be XRing Ac5c/65s and calling with 55.

The more equity to the pot - the money money you want to shovel in.

Both Ac5c and 65s have way more equity to the pot than 55. So those would be XRed before 55.

And we need some 5x in our calling range. So 55 can serve that purpose.

Solvers make complex solutions teachable. That is why they are so popular. It helps you figure out your own ranges - which will make seemingly tough decisions much easier. Once you have learned them to an unconscious competence level.

Part of getting good at poker is learning your own ranges. Having a solver is like having an open book test - except the book is a million pages. You are never going to pass the test unless you study before hand. And not just 10 hours, or 100 hours or 1000 hours. I would imagine most world class players have put in close to at least 10000 hours of solver work (read: LinusLove).

And then once they have their solver work - they move onto exploits to increase their profits even more.

It doesn't make sense to XR 55 here as I've stated earlier. You have a hand that is in the middle of your range and you are polarizing your range with a XR. We would XR 65s/A5cc before this hand. And we need some 5x in our calling range to have straights on 7 and 2 turns.

As far as the annoying part. Well that seems like a you problem. I find it annoying when people try to justify their lazy thought process with the same solver rhetoric I've heard countless times.

tbh i don't care if it is backwards part of profit in poker is constructing your range in a way that is not absolutely obvious. Ac5c is the most obvious x/r semi-bluff we can have on the flop. it's not even really a semi-bluff because we're ahead of a range of sets and overpairs on the flop.

playing the hand this way also makes calculating optimal bluff to value ratio simple. we're giving 2.6 for a call here so we should have 1 bluff for every 2.6 value combinations. there are 9 sets so we should have between 3 and 4 combinations of bluffs here. so we can easily just use our 5s with a club and sometimes work in another hand and we're balanced. this is generally how i play these 3 small card one gapped two tone flops.

like honestly i don't really care about lines like well actually we should never x/r this hand ever we should always only x/r this hand because it has 1% more equity. literally who cares. against a range of the nuts, overpairs, AK, and flushdraws 65s only has 2-3% more equity. i would rather have two blockers to the nuts than 2% more equity against a wide range because this is going to impact our winrate more in practice than in theory. i'm already going to play with how i construct my ranges. i started the thread because i'm interested in seeing how people feel about the A of spades hitting the turn, if this is a good card to continue firing on or not which is not really a solver question it's more of a meta-game and psychology question.

you got your answer
your image sucks check

but you want your EGO stroked to hear how great you are because you barreled and won SO nice hand Well played sir!

meta-game and psychology question

with a bad image no one is going to believe you
bad lag maniac images are great for wild games
big pots , huge swings etc and I use it myself in some games
what I don't expect is anyone to believe me and fold
so I use that image to value bet more and spew off chips less

said every angry old nit i've played against ever

Your image does suck, so checking is the best play. Your villain might suck in other ways, so betting might work, but the competent LAGs I know are only folding junk here -- and they don't have junk because they called your flop raise. Competent LAGs are rarely folding JJ, etc., to someone with your image.

WHO YOU CALLING OLD