Thanksgiving midnight

Scenario

Brand new game started. Most people buy in for $150. As players shove with any pair, draw etc, they rebuy for the full amount $300. Every player is original from the beginning. Stacks are getting deep and average opening raise size is $25. Hand comes up about 3 hours into the session.

Players
Hero $800 in for $600 or so. Seat 5
V1 = $750. Seat 6. Middle aged white guy. Plays ATC. Open raises $15, $25, $35. He's the "target" at the table being a calling station, calling river bets with middle pair. Can't tell if he was on tilt or was just "that bad" has a slight attitude toward the game and players. Vpip 90 the whole time.
V2 = $750 seat 3 (seat 4 empty) started off "tight" then played any two cards after being stacked twice vs other players. Probably a little tilt but defiantly gambling it up. Middle Eastern 60 year old man. Maybe Jewish.

Hero image. Probably pretty tight. I did bluff off sort of, against v1 earlier. Then about tripled up calling with a flush draw and getting there. Not sure if they even notice, but sitting right next to V1 I would assuming they think I'm somewhat tight. Does image matter to them? I'm not sure.

Hand.
V1 raises $25 UTG. The Btn calls, SB V2 calls and hero BB sees TT.

So I consider 3! I decided against it for a few reasons. 1 out of position, didn't not want to play a bloated pot. 2: if I made it $150, I think the entire callers would call based on the game flow. 3: I didn't want to get 4! And have to fold. All criticism welcome but that was my thought.

Pot $100
Flop Th9h3s
SB checks. A donk bet flashes through my head, but I stop myself because of the way V1 is playing, because he has Cbet pretty much every pfr he made. My plan was to check raise or flat depending on if the Btn or sb called.
So I decide to check and to my dismay V1 checks and to my more dismay the Btn checks as well. There goes that.

Turn Jc
SB checks and I can't lose more value so I bet $75. v1 folds, Btn folds and SB V2 calls.

Pot $250
Kh
SB checks again. Obviously I hate this card as the front door flush gets there and Queen straight is on.
What do you do?
Bet (how much?) or check back

I make a thin value bet on the river. $100-$125.

Also pretty gross they all checked flop and this turn card (might make us money actually) makes me sour.

By the way, I actually don't advocate 3B! here pre-flop.


If this was a non heart and he leads. I fold. Since it's the heart, tempts me to want to value bet the check, but it might just be too thin. I probably still make that bet though.

i think i nit it up and check back.

he can certainly have KJ and call a river bet, but it feels like he has way more combos of SD/FD. i don't hate the x/r on the flop given v1's description, and it sucks we had a bad run out.

Well played hand. I agree with your reasons for calling preflop and checking the flop. The turn sizing is fine. I'm never folding, unless the turn action goes insane.

****ty river card. I'd reluctantly check back. Villain can't put you on a busted draw because every draw got there. You can't get value from Jx hands because the river K also makes it second pair. Villain's calling range consists of a few small flushes, Qx, KJ/JT/J9, and maybe JJ. Everything else should fold. I don't think you can get a 50%+ call rate.

In game, I probably throw out a tilted $100 river bet because I'm pissed I hit top set against a bunch of maniacs and couldn't get my stack in.

I probably check it back in a vacuum

I can understand flop and preflop but I can also see the logic behind pressing pre here given the ranges of V1 and V2.

Checking river - You probably got max, but for this specific game I prob have a zero checking frequency with value and a zero betting frequency with bluffs. Sure your thinking is sound and it's logical to assume that checking lines here are greater EV than betting ones against two ranges, but so many great things can happen by immediately making the pot bigger with obscenely strong ranges against players that don't adjust accordingly.

If we don't think there is any real danger of getting check raised as a bluff, I would make a thin value bet (halfish) and b/f. We might own ourselves, but there are a decent number of two pair hands that could pay off, and we don't lose anything by forcing a fold from a weaker hand.

That said, checking back isn't necessarily an awful idea.

B/f $125.

I think it's too thin with straights and a flush present. He could easily have checked a rivered straight after a 3rd heart fell.

Unless u think he'll call with KJ/KT, I'd check back.

Say we had the flush on the river.

How much are we betting?

Over betting?

Thanks for all the help.

I was really 50/50. I thought about checking back pretty hard but I thought if he showed some two pair combo, I'd be more pissed that I missed value so my plan was to bet fold and I fired $100

He snap calls and shows 4h2h.

note to self: value bet this person to death and be terrified if they raise me

You can 3bet here preflop given description of the initial raiser. The only time I would flat would be vs a tight player whom I think I might be able to stack if I hit. But against a maniac I'm 3betting this every time.

As played this is one of those rare circumstances where I actually would donkbet. Reason being is that I dont suspect the initial raiser has much as we know he's just playing ATC, so the odds of us getting in a nice check-raise are slim. We also dont want the board to get checked through as happened. Whenever these semi-wet flop come out like this people have a tendency to freeze with anything but the nuts. Everyone is afraid of being outdrawn here, and the people who have draws would rather take a free card anyway. There's enough out there that should connect with at least somebody's range so I would go ahead and donkbet to make sure I get value from at least 1 person.

As played by the river I would check back. There's just no value here. No 2 pairs or anything would have flatted our turn lead. I just cant see anyone calling with a hand we beat, and smaller flushes DEFINITELY check to us.