Villain in SB youngish reg no previous history with 2k stack. Hero ~$600 eff.

Hero $25 BTN with AKs after 3 limps, V $65, H call.

($140) AQ6r check, H $50, V call.

($240) 5 two clubs on board, check check.

($240) 5, V jams $480 eff, hero?

Without any reads/history i am folding this, as the population vastly underbluffs rivers.

Pre i am 4 betting this a good amount for value. Young regs 3 betting range versus the button raise when sitting at a very healthy 2K stack may be pretty wide.

4bet pre.

I think flop bet is too small and turn check is a mistake. I'm not sure folding river is a good idea after your passive play. I guess until you know more it's a fold, but I don't like it. What would he play this way? AQ? 66? Did he luck out w/ A5 and check the turn? No value hands from V seem reasonable for a "pro."

I don't mind the preflop flat IP versus a younger player.

But otherwise I agree with Java.

What's the reason why flop bet should be bigger?

Is checking turn to induce bluffs/value bets from worse really a mistake? elaborate please.

Flop bet should be bigger for pure value.

If this was your plan, then it's a snap call. /thread

I'm snap calling any bet under pot but 2x pot jam made it interesting.

He has QQQ 99.99999% unless asian

Its 2/3 ffs

he decided to chk/call a safe flop
wanted to c/r turn but failed
otr said omgz i better gii now for missing value ott

If we have any four-betting range at all versus an unknown SB's three-bet response to our BTN open, it should include suited AK.

As played, we've done capped our range by flatting preflop, and now we have TPTK. We are way ahead/way behind: We are crushed by AA (1 combo), QQ (3 combos), and AQ (6 combos). Maybe an unknown is going to 3-bet 66 against a BTN open, but I wouldn't. We are crushing KK, 77-JJ, and all other AX combos.

And we have no AA or QQ in our own range, thanks to our preflop check. Villain has range advantage, nut advantage, and is checking to us.

I suppose betting the flop makes sense. Unlike everyone else, I want to bet small here, because the villain has the range and nut advantages.

You don't mention which cards are what suits. Is the ace on the board the club ace? Did we flop a backdoor flush draw? You mention that the turn card was a second club, and I am guessing that if our suit were clubs you would have said something.

What bluffs might the villain have? Do we block them or unblock them?

In the end, this is LOLLSNL and this spot is massively underbluffed, so I would fold to the river jam.

The way we've played the hand has given a youngish reg the green light to shove the river with all of his better hands (I still don't think he gets here with many) and all of his bluffs. We are screwed because we have no idea which one. Just fold.

Yeah thinking about it now I don't think V has many bluffs at all. under pairs to the Q probably fold flop which leaves only KK and Ax that gets to the turn and those hands have too much SDV to jam 2x on the river. Even if V is calling flop with JJ, that's still way less combos than AA, AQ and QQ.

i for sure would of bet turn with ak.

i might call this. its a really risky bluff on his part because in general people hate folding big aces when it hits.


i don't get the value bet either like if we have a-j here we are calling 200 all day why he so greedy?

Results: Called off and V wins with QQ

??? I'd rather flat a 3b with AK vs an old unknown rather than a younger unknown

Not sure how differently we could've gotten to the river.

I'd 4bet pre with 200bb deep.

Flop Cbet higher for value.

But I get lost in the turn because if villain is calling flop he will call with Ax, QQ minimum. So it doesn't look to good. Unless V is a pro and he is bluffing river.

EDIT: Just saw the result of the hand. I believe its what most of the people in this thread thought. V wont call flop with less than Ax or QQ.