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Old 12-29-2013, 11:18 PM   #1
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$2/3 AK spot

First hand at the table. Hero: AK ($215) open raiser $15 from HJ. Cutoff (V1-$350) and button (V2-$600) calls. Never played with any of these villains before.

Flop: AT6
Hero: bets $35
V1: Raises $75
Hero: calls
Turn: 6

Hero?
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:22 PM   #2
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

Check call.
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Old 12-29-2013, 11:25 PM   #3
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

If it's your first hand at the table, why is your stack size $215?

Flop is a shove or fold spot with your stack size, the pot is going to be ~$200 on the turn if you flat and you're only going to have $125 behind, so a call commits you.

Do you have any reads at all? Age, general appearance of villain? Against an old guy, probably fold flop, since they're generally going to be more passive with these draws and show up with AT / TT / 66 here a lot. Against a younger kid, easy shove.

As played, jam turn. You can't fold now, and checking just allows villain to see a free card if he has a draw.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:36 AM   #4
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

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If it's your first hand at the table, why is your stack size $215?

Flop is a shove or fold spot with your stack size, the pot is going to be ~$200 on the turn if you flat and you're only going to have $125 behind, so a call commits you.

Do you have any reads at all? Age, general appearance of villain? Against an old guy, probably fold flop, since they're generally going to be more passive with these draws and show up with AT / TT / 66 here a lot. Against a younger kid, easy shove.

As played, jam turn. You can't fold now, and checking just allows villain to see a free card if he has a draw.
I thought i bought in $200 (all 20s a 10 and two 5s) it was actually when $220 and one of the 5s was cut in half. Anyways. Villain is a lady in her 50s, which is a clear sign of a fit or fold player. No reads though. In hindsight it's a b/f on the flop
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:41 AM   #5
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

I would begrudgingly fold the flop. Ladies in their 50s going for a raise can't be good. At very best she has AK herself but likely something better. This type of villain is also less likely to be semi bluffing any draws as she would likely just play it passively and call with oesd or fd.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:49 AM   #6
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

I don't hate folding the flop

The only thing is that some older women do this with stuff like AQ/AJ in an attempt to "see where they're at". If she's the type to overplay top pair, I'd call one street and re-evaluate turn because she'll likely shut down with her weaker top pairs if you call.

But if you've seen her just flat call down a lot with top pair and/or draws, folding is fine.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:50 AM   #7
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

True Remix. This location though has some "crazy" lady regs. Played against a woman in her 70s last week that 3-bet shoved second pair.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:52 AM   #8
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

*as a bluff
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:35 PM   #9
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Fold flop.

As played x/f turn.


V has TT a lot
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:40 PM   #10
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

If we have reads here that she can do this with worse (TP/SK, second pair, flush draws, flush +straight draws) then the flop is fine. And the turn is actually a check shove to commit the rest of her chips.

But if we don't have reads like that it gets ugly. Her range here is sets, 2p, AxXc. I'vea feeling we're not doing great against this range. Might need to fold the flop.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:43 PM   #11
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

In a vacuum vs typical LLSNL players in this spot for under 70bb, I have no problem whatsoever playing for stacks on all bricked turns.

So, if we call the flop, then we 100% need to be shoving all bricked turns.

If we aren't prepared to shove 100% all bricked turns, then do not call the flop raise and just fold flop.

As played,

ho-hum-sigh shove turn.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:50 PM   #12
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Re: $2/3 AK spot

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If it's your first hand at the table, why is your stack size $215?

Flop is a shove or fold spot with your stack size, the pot is going to be ~$200 on the turn if you flat and you're only going to have $125 behind, so a call commits you.

Do you have any reads at all? Age, general appearance of villain? Against an old guy, probably fold flop, since they're generally going to be more passive with these draws and show up with AT / TT / 66 here a lot. Against a younger kid, easy shove.

As played, jam turn. You can't fold now, and checking just allows villain to see a free card if he has a draw.

My thoughts exactly, flop situation is a way ahead or way behind situation, only suggestion is that some have said jam flop some have said check call turn, the range your losing here is AT/TT/66 and the range your beating is KQss/KJss/AQ/AJ so folding is +EV against first range but as flatted, jamming turn and not check calling is way way way more +EV incase they take free card.

Edit: RahZero said free card also, sigh....just refer to Rah.
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