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2/3 AcKh What's Your Plan On The Turn/River 2/3 AcKh What's Your Plan On The Turn/River

03-21-2018 , 04:09 AM
Game is pretty decent. A lot of limp/calling, mixed with a few sticky players and a few loose/passives. Main V in this hand seems to be a Tag/Nitty player. Haven't observed him take any hands to show down, but so far it seems like he's playing a tight range, and opening a tight range as well. Has 400 to start.

V2 is on massive tilt, lost more than half of his stack on a few bad run outs but he's also made some bad calls. Not relavant after flop, covers H.

H (500) has been at this table for about 50-60 mins, haven't shown any hands down. Made a 3b pre, took it down and a took a hand down on the flop with a c-bet. I'm sure my image is Tag/nitty. V and I haven't played before. AK


Straddle to 6, V limps, fold, H 35, V2 cc first, folds to V1 calls.

F (110) Q67
x, H 50, fold, call.

T(210): 8
x, H?

There is about 325ish left in V stack, SPR is low, we have the nut flush draw with at least one of our cards also being live. We possibly have 9-15 outs, I think we have 12 outs for sur.

1) check back and realize our equity. If so, What's our plan on a blank, an Ace or King?
2) b/f?
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03-21-2018 , 05:39 AM
The 8 is sort of irrelevant because basically no SD and/or something like 87s/86s should be calling your flop bet based on reads. A tight guy has a Q here way more than a flush after only one bet has gone in. I like the idea of ripping it, he folds those Qx a lot (even w/ a club), but I can see the justification for just taking our draw/SDV & hope river gets checked through if we miss, and in the moment I could see myself checking back here and not really regretting it. The problem is we don't have all that much in terms of implied odds (ie we hit and villain bluffs or x/calls a bet -- both unlikely), weighting my decision more toward a semi bluff as well.
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03-21-2018 , 08:22 AM
I would probably check back turn because stack sizes cause a 2 barrel to get us all in. I can’t see firing the turn and not the river. We have equity and i’d To pot control here.
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03-21-2018 , 11:01 AM
hate that flop bet. It looks exactly like it is, nut flush draw with overs. bet 85 on the flop.

turn, bet 125.

river, if completely bricks, fold/check. if the K hits, call/check. if A/clubs hits, shove for value.
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03-21-2018 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
hate that flop bet. It looks exactly like it is, nut flush draw with overs. bet 85 on the flop.

turn, bet 125.

river, if completely bricks, fold/check. if the K hits, call/check. if A/clubs hits, shove for value.
I think flop size is ok, but could get behind a larger size too.

Are you planning on b/f the turn? My guess is no so your decision to bet $125 is that you are going with your hand no matter what V does. I prefer checking turn and taking our free equity to the river with at least 9 (if not more) outs.

For river, i like the above a lot.
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03-21-2018 , 01:25 PM
I'm cool with the big preflop raise.

Alarm bells should probably be going off when V1 limp/calls preflop. It's very possible he was limping a big hand to reraise and then maybe thought better about it when nitty us raised big. Just something to be aware of, imo.

Think I'm cool with the 1/2 PSB cbet. We can get the nittier guy to lay down all underpairs and otherwise it's likely a value bet against the looser guy.

Dude likely has AQ (at the bare minimum) at this point, imo. Don't think we're going to get him off that. I check back to realize my equity and tread very carefully on an A. Hate the idea of bet/folding when we have a draw to the nuts.

ETA: I'm cool with our flop sizing as I think it will accomplish what we want (i.e. I think the tight guy is folding JJ- to any reasonable bet whereas the sticky guy ain't folding to any reasonable bet, so make it as less expensive as possible, imo). Also, river A (as well as a K) can be a pretty craptastic card as preflop/flop has often limited him to AQ/KQ; we should actually be considering a fold if he donks those especially since we look like we have AK if we check back the turn, imo.

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 03-21-2018 at 01:31 PM.
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03-21-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
hate that flop bet. It looks exactly like it is, nut flush draw with overs. bet 85 on the flop.

turn, bet 125.

river, if completely bricks, fold/check. if the K hits, call/check. if A/clubs hits, shove for value.
I'd bet 50 with AA and KK
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03-21-2018 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
I'd bet 50 with AA and KK
what would bet with AA or KK with no club?
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03-21-2018 , 02:33 PM
b/f 70-80 I thought V only had 66/77 as his sets, KcQx JcQx, everything else is folding. if called, probably barrel on a non club, non- T, J or K... this is with KK/AA no clubs
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03-21-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
b/f 70-80 I thought V only had 66/77 as his sets, KcQx JcQx, everything else is folding. if called, probably barrel on a non club, non- T, J or K... this is with KK/AA no clubs
I agree with others your bet looks like AK with A clubs
Flop bet of $80-90 looks more like AA or KK no club and he will call with K or Q clubs maybe the J as well with JJ

As played I would check turn as stated by others if river bricks then what
are you stacking off with Ace high?
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03-21-2018 , 02:49 PM
I prefer a larger cb on flop to give us option of bombing turn. At these stacks it is pretty awkward now on turn, and was avoidable on the flop decision.

His flop range probably is some sets, flushes, Qs, and maybe 99-JJ with a club (if he limps those hands pf). I think some players fold with QT, QJ. Checking makes it clear you don't have a hand but get to realize equity. I would check and try to bink river since a small bet won't make him fold anything and a big bet is an expensive play to get him to fold a pair.
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03-21-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by snowman
I agree with others your bet looks like AK with A clubs
Flop bet of $80-90 looks more like AA or KK no club and he will call with K or Q clubs maybe the J as well with JJ

As played I would check turn as stated by others if river bricks then what
are you stacking off with Ace high?
I don't know this V too well, but I don't think he shows up with JJ here, and if he does, he doesn't x/c on a Q high monotone board unless its JJx
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03-21-2018 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
I don't know this V too well, but I don't think he shows up with JJ here, and if he does, he doesn't x/c on a Q high monotone board unless its JJx
so given V is that tight pre
check turn
I wouldn't bet river here if A or K shows up
I'd be happy to check it down as he's only calling with better
I think your outs are clubs and the 8 would be iffy as now QQ fills up
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03-21-2018 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by snowman
so given V is that tight pre
check turn
I wouldn't bet river here if A or K shows up
I'd be happy to check it down as he's only calling with better
I think your outs are clubs and the 8 would be iffy as now QQ fills up
He doesn't have QQ in this spot brodie. Likely doesn't limp them pre, if he does likely doesn't l/c and for some reason if he l/c likely doesn't x/c flop.


his range is capped at a Q with the flop x/c. On the turn the decision for was to analize whether I can get him off of a Q, I thought it would require a big bet (around 120+) and if he calls i'm relying on my club outs to come in. So why not realize my equity in this circumstances. The issue is, this is a very exploitable line, but I don't think this V is capable of taking advantage just based on the feel I get from him.
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03-21-2018 , 08:26 PM
8 OTT hits preflop and flop caller more than it hits your range being the preflop raiser. Low SPR suggests a turn bet has us fairly committed so I dont think I like a b/f here. Check it back and realize our eq.

Obvi jam an A or club river, K is probs a check/call for me. Im check/folding almost all other rivers.
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03-22-2018 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Balerion1
I'd bet 50 with AA and KK
I would too. 50 is going to get a lot more calls and check/raises and more value from weaker hands.

Even though we don't mind calls, we certainly don't want checkraises, and we really can't complain about folds. Hence, bet 85, protect against the checkraise and get more folds.
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03-22-2018 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
I would too. 50 is going to get a lot more calls and check/raises and more value from weaker hands.

Even though we don't mind calls, we certainly don't want checkraises, and we really can't complain about folds. Hence, bet 85, protect against the checkraise and get more folds.
I can get behind the bet bigger to proetect against the c/r.

if we bet 85, and V x/r to, say, 200 what's our plan?
if he just calls what's our plan?
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03-22-2018 , 04:19 AM
Sizing is good both preflop and flop.

Turn is a great spot to barrel as a semibluff. We can either make a "standard" bet like $140 or we can go for the overbet jam. Both have merits but I lean towards the jam tbh as we can maximise our fold equity against Qx and pair+draw hands.
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