This is probably the best answer here. Just stoving AKs/JJ+, it looks like we're a little over 50%, so easy call. Course, he's never betting AKs, but even against JJ+ we're 50%, so again an easy call. (if I've stoved this right, which I sometimes don't, and I might be screwing up times we chop with AA)

GriverisactuallyeasierthanIthoughtG

Agree river is just standard chug and plug. Question is obviously what to do on flop.

Also GGs button pressing skills are now on the table.

I figured it would be close to even money on the river given the range. I came up with 57% equity. Definitely a call.

At least I finally downloaded Stove to my phone.

Very good points. I failed to notice V1's stack size.

We are 180bb deep against V2 who is tight and not bluffy. Why dont we just bet-fold the flop and turn and eval the river? We b/b/b our last AA to stack the fish right?

By checking the flop, what exactly can be achived? We suddenly want v2 go crasy with AQ? We want to bluff catch v2 with AA? Bet to extract value from worse hands. Fish may fold and give you no extra chip but that's fine.

Once we check the flop and see one of the worst turn cards, we then suddenly start charging AK for his gut shot. OTR, v2's value hands are 2 AQs, 6 KK, 3 QQ, 3 JJ, i think it's a call.

Thank you. Why on earth are we giving up the lead here? Especially if villain is nitty. He's certainly calling us with worse and we can bet fold for value pretty easily when he raises. We lose so much value by checking here. Especially if he has any type of show down value that won't bet but still call a flop bet.

There is only 1 hand we are losing value against V2 by not bet/bet/betting: KK. That's it. Nits are not calling off 2 let alone 3 postflop streets with JJ- here (nor do they show up with AQ facing a 3bet preflop, as stated in OPs range); we are looking for one more street of value against these hands which we are unlikely to get if we bet the flop.

And why would V2 ever raise flop or turn? If he's ahead, he's flopped a boat. All he has to do is let us do the heavy lifting and then donk the river for the rest of it. And if he raises his overpair KK postflop (although he probably won't), it's a disaster to bet/fold.

And having the fish fold the flop when he's most likely drawing dead is not ok, it's a disaster.

GhasnoideawhypeoplearesogunghotobettheflopG

we are giving villain all combos of KK even though he doesn't 4-bet, flop checks through and he checks again on the turn? i think that's pretty optimistic.

If we ck flop, we have to ck turn. The same let V catch up logic applies. We already put v2 on JJ+ and AK. We want him to catch up which card so he would pay us big?

We absolutely don't have to check back the turn (especially when the majority of turn cards won't be this crappy).

V2 has seen aggro whale open, us 3bet to isolate, and then he coldcalls. When we check back the flop (which we now may do if we were 3betting light and have decided to play more ABC once V2 is in the mix), he's feeling a whole lot better about his JJ-. He might even donk the turn himself thinking he's in the lead at this point, and he's much more likely to call a bet now that we've shown weakness and a street has checked thru (stacks might not be in play here).

Meanwhile the whale has barely over a PSB left. We can play for that whenever we want, again much more likely to get paid off allowing him to hit a useless pair (or induce a bluff) by letting the flop check thru.

GimoG

I agree with both betting the flop and now calling the river.