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2/3/5 Turning QQ into a bluff on the flop 2/3/5 Turning QQ into a bluff on the flop

05-12-2018 , 02:31 PM
2/3/5 1000 buy in

I’ve got about 5 hours of table history with Villian. He’s a thinking player capable of big laydowns and some thought out calls.

Hero image: looks like an 80s pro wrestler. Villian respects my game and we joke about hands and table image. He and I have been slowly chipping up

Villian Sb 2100
Hero MP 3200

Hero wakes up to QQ in MP. There are two limps behind and he makes it 40 to go.

Folds to SB who makes it 95 to go.

Hero calls: I don’t need to bloat the pot and I feel fairly confident I can navigate the flop and play poker in position.
All else fold

POT: ($207)


Flop : A104

Ehhh. An Ace high flop.

Sb leads at the pot for $75

Hero Raises to $220.

Thoughts: I’m repping protecting that Ace, possibly a set of 10s. If I’m behind KK I can take it away right here.

Other thoughts: I could call the bet rather than raise and obviously take it from him if we bink a Q, or rep diamonds if we hit a diamond then, though I feel like my range is a little more polarized to PPs when I call his 3bet!

Is my whole thought process spew?
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05-12-2018 , 02:47 PM
You'll need to raise flop and bomb turn, and then possibly river to get him to fold an A. If he's C-Betting KK here, yeah, this will work, but there is probably more combos of Ax in his 3-bet range than KK, although you do block AQ.

There's definitely some merit to this play if not overdone. I'm assuming you know he is capable of 3-betting a bit of a lighter range here? If not I'm less likely to try this is as his continuing range is going to be much stronger, but if he has a weaker Ax you can try to blast him off of it.

Just be careful on certain turn cards. I would strongly consider checking back if one of the cards hits one of your backdoor draws.
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05-12-2018 , 02:59 PM
240 pre imo. Flop is just ridic spew. This is probably the nut worst hand to bluff with here. I guess black Queens would be worse, but still.
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05-12-2018 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
230 pre imo. Flop is just ridic spew. This is probably the nut worst hand to bluff with here. I guess black Queens would be worse, but still.
I don’t disagree with you whatsoever just for my learning can you explain why this is the nut worst hand to bluff with?
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05-12-2018 , 03:05 PM
There's really no great hands to bluff with here, the card removal value of most hands is pointless. Especially since you won't have many of the good bluff hands in your MP raise/call 3-bet range, like 45 or T9. I do agree that the main hands you are targetting here are AQ or AJ, so JJ and AQ aren't great holding here, but even then you're still overbluffing in the spot if you always do it with a good bluff hand.
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05-12-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Koss
There's really no great hands to bluff with here, the card removal value of most hands is pointless. Especially since you won't have many of the good bluff hands in your MP raise/call 3-bet range, like 45 or T9. I do agree that the main hands you are targetting here are AQ or AJ, so JJ and AQ aren't great holding here, but even then you're still overbluffing in the spot if you always do it with a good bluff hand.
This makes sense thank you
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05-12-2018 , 03:10 PM
You block the hands he will 3b pre and bet/fold otf, like QQ and KQ. AQ probably peels at least one, but that's another hand that you might want him to have if you're planning to multistreet bluff. Now if he has a better hand than yours, it is usually AK, and it will be hard to make him fold.
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05-12-2018 , 03:10 PM
4b pre

Ap standard flat is standard.
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05-13-2018 , 05:05 AM
You flat a 3b with a monster, not to trap an aggro, but for preflop pot control? Then you bloat with a flop xr? Head scratcher for sure...I don't know why you choose Queens to pull this bluff with when you can have so many better (no sd value) hands to bluff with on many scary turns.
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05-13-2018 , 01:51 PM
Would you raise here with AK? Not a chance.

So your line is rather dumb
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