V in the hand, young Asian is the chipleader at the table sitting on over 1k at this 2/3/5 500 max game. He’s the aggro type talking about playing 5/10 PLO and stuff in Vegas. He lost a huge pot on the very last hand that played out as follows:

He opens 20 in LJ, Old guy 3b to 65 CO, he calls. Flop comes 933r he checks, old guy bets 90, he c/raises to 245, old guy instaships for 575 total, he tank calls... board runs out 5 and A... old guy shows TT and he mucks..

Very next hand, he opens to 25 in MP2, H 3bets to 75 in CO with AKhh, old guy from last hand who’s now OTB cold-calls my 3b, V makes a remark about how everyone’s playing back at him now, and how he just got 3b by the guy who hasn’t played a hand since he sat down 30 mins ago, and makes the call.

Flop (235): 763sdh
V checks, H checks, Old guy checks

Turn (235): 5h
V bets 150, H ? (notices old guy is ready to fold)

Both V and old guy have been 1k+ and Hero only has 350ish left OTT.

I checked flop because old guy’s preflop coldcall range won’t really fold much on this flop, plus main V’s super-wide range can put a ton of pressure on Hero’s capped range here if he decides to continue.

On this turn, V obviously has the highest range advantage vs Hero and old guy, so he can be profitably betting ATC here knowing we can’t call. It sucks that he’s clearly the capable type as seen from the previous hand.

Call seems pretty clear, probably calling river too.

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I think raising isn’t a good idea. Will get worse hands to fold. I think calling is best, keep your opponents bluffs in his range, and possibly semi bluffs. He may have picked up a heart draw also. Reevaluate on the river. He could have a lot of 2 pair or straights in his range too.

Can't check flop and give up initiative. If old guy calls, double barrel turn. Calling now. Calling river bricks unimproved too most of the time. Villain could be holding 88, 99, or TT, and a lot of broadway air.

I am going to print these comments out and give them to everyone at the casinos I play at, next time I go there.

Because I want EVERYONE to flat my big turn bets, in big pots, while holding even a nut flush draw with no pair and getting less than proper flush draw odds.

Yes, I might be making a play because it was checked through.

But mostly I will not be stealing.

Your mileage may vary but it's high variance to call big turn bets with the wrong price, and with "only" a draw.

Yeah I thought about it, but isn’t this a bad board to cbet? He can easily have JJ/QQ here a lot and get sticky “putting me on AK”.

I only have ~440 going to the flop so how much do you want to bet flop and turn? I imagine a turn bet would have to be a shove and only a shove.

Although I agree with you in general about big turn bets 3way never being bluffs, everything in this hand points out towards Hero and BTN’s ranges being super capped by the turn and favors V’s range heavily. Add the fact that he’s the capable Asian he seems to be, he should and will be betting ATC here profitably.

Are you a young aggro Asian who last hand stacked off 125BB in a 3bet pot on 933r with a hand that could not beat TT even after an ace rivered?

Are the odds that bad?

If Villain's range is any pair (that includes straights 44, and sets 33/55/66/77), so we're behind 100% of the time, we easily have odds to call.

Unless you are planning on calling (and being good) every time you hit your A or K then it's a fold.

I would just like to point out that villain called 3bet OOP with worse than 9K, and 8s, and subsequently check raised said "value" hand against a player that will probably not bet if they don't have a strong hand. We can probably selectively allocate a few bluffs into the villain's range, hands such as 7-8s, 6-8s, 10-8s which block the nuts, have good drawing potential and are good bluff candidates. From his previous hand, we can also reasonably deduce that the last $200 will go in and get called by a 2 pair or straight when a heart rolls off. If this is the case, we are only not getting our equity back if villain specifically holds 8-9hh.

On the times we do hit the A or K, we can reasonably expect action to be checked to us occasionally when villain has top pair and straight draw. If they do bet, we can probably make a tough call if we think they have more single pair and straight draws in their range than 2 pairs, there are only 2 combos of 76s and 65s available. There are a few set out there, but if the villain bluffs just a few of the pair and straight draws, we can profitably call TPTK.

Don't think its that obvious of a fold spot, in fact I think from the analysis of the scenarios above and villain's tendencies, should be a profitable call

That’s what I thought. We aren’t deep enough to chase our flush it seems, and even if he’s bluffing with any pair, we’re behind.