Playing at a poker room outside of San Francisco, about 2 or 3 hours in to a session. I'm not exactly sure how the table views me as I've been card dead for about an hour, probably non standard but decent, probably stationy. I'm a mid 20s white guy, have headphones on, may appear internet-ish. I made most of my stack making a few other hero calls, 4th pair no kicker and top pair on a 3 flush board after trusting physical tells which villain saw. I'm sitting with ~2500 and I cover the entire table.

The villain in this hand is a black man, late 40s, has on a Hawaiian style shirt with cards as the pattern. Plays much too loose pre. He doesn't value bet well and I'd put him in the recreational category. I earlier saw him lead 3 streets with AQ and a flush draw on a paired board, then do a small river bet 1/4 pot when he hit tptk with his Q.

The hand:
Utg+1 limps (1100)
MP (Villain) raises to 20 (400)
CO calls 20 (1200)
Hero calls 15 from BB with 5d6d (2500)
Utg+1 folds

Flop (60): J62, 2 clubs. Hero checks, Villain bets 25, hero calls, CO folds.
Turn (110): offsuit 3. Hero checks, villain bets 45, hero calls.

River (200): offsuit K. Hero checks, villain bets 130.

Hero?

My thoughts are that his sizing was super weak on flop and turn. River the only hand I can put him on for value is KJ or another goofy 2p. Anybody else tempted to call?


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I am not tempted to call this.

Also, if V views you as you think he does (stationy, etc.) then it makes it less likely that he is bluffing with air here. Even if he turned a bad 6 into a bluff, you're still beat. You're really just beating AQ/AT.

I beat missed clubs as well as a few random bluffs, but yes I lose to all of his value and a few of his 6x bluffs. Something to keep in mind is I'm not sure how he sees me, just the possibility because of a few hands he witnessed. I always hesitate when it comes to a recreational players view of me, simply because I tend to assume they think how I do, which generally isnt the case.

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Fold pre given position and initial raiser's relatively shallow stack. Fold flop. Fold turn. Fold river. In general, making hero calls is not all that profitable at this level. Also, taking passive lines like this with mediocre holdings is how fish play.

agreed you have also already show some light calls highly unlikely to see him show air

I'm fairly surprised nobody else at least thinks this spot is close. Given a better player that can v bet any J or K here like this it's a good fold, but I don't see that being the situation. The villain already went for small value in a similar spot, therefore a large bet **for him** polarizes his range in my opinion. His sudden jump in sizing makes me think he no longer has 1p value hands here, only 2p or a bluff.

As for folding pre, I think that's pretty poor. I dont mind a 3b or call, but our hand plays well deep (the co has 220 BB), is semi concealed, and although we're the SB we have relative position in the hand by checking to see how the pfr acts.
Thoughts on my thought process concerning the villains range?


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U said in OP u made hero calls based off of live tells then you don't include any in the OP for this Vil.

Without any reads this is a fold. You said he's bad at value betting. Is he bad thru sizing or is he bad in other ways?

I could see a hero call here sure but this might be something we would have to be at the table to see.

I ended up deciding based on what I thought was nervousness on his part, however that doesn't really factor in to dissecting ranges on the river.

In terms of villain not value betting well, it was both in sizing and frequency, although specifically sizing too small.

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Fold. Rarely are people triple barreling at this level .

Pretty optimistic call, but I'm assuming it worked because you're posting it. I think his flop and turn bet are pretty standard from a V at this level with any pair that beats you, but his river bet is much bigger WRT his previous bet sizing and could indicate he got here with the Ahi FD. I would've folded.

You think wrong.

The CO has 220bbs, but the raiser is only 80bbs deep. When you call with a hand like 56dd it should be to go after the tight opening range of the original raiser which is why his stack size is what you should really be considering here. The CO is playing some random hand just like we are (ie QT sooted, 89 sooted, etc) and the vast majority of the time our hands will not both connect on the same board, and even if they do, CO has position and there are more combinations of CO over-flushing and over-straighting us than there are of us being able to get all the money in good against CO.

Fold pre. As played fold flop. As played fold turn. As played fold river.

I don't mind the call pre some of the time because you know this is probably going 4 ways to flop with 2 deep stacks you can target. If it was just the short stack, then this is an obvious fold. The flop is an easy fold, your OOP with a weak second pair and little chance of improving. Even if villain is c-betting air, he probably has two over cards and decent equity.

As played, river looks sorta bluffish and is some what tempting and entirely read based. My general feeling here is fold. I would put some KX flush draws in his range as betting for value here and there are some bluffs that beat you.

If you're getting a tell that villain is weak then raising is better then calling because a lot of his weak hands still beat you like but as the hand has been presented I'm folding here.