Thursday night 2/3/5 table.. not many reads on V except he doubled up in last orbit through a whale after calling an MP raise OTB for 45 with AQo, flop came Q87r and MP shoved a short stack of around $180, he called, whale called with J4o. He shoved for $300 total on a 5r turn and told the fish “I’m on a draw” and got the call, lol.

OTTH...

5-handed, V (1200) limps, CO (500) limps, Hero (520) completes 42cc OTB, SB completes and BB checks.

Flop ($25): 942ssd
V leads out $30, CO calls, H raises to $125, V calls, CO folds

Turn ($305): Td
V checks, H ???

Hero has $390 behind. I feel betting is mandatory but I’m torn between a shove and a 1/2-2/3 PSB because the pot will be huge by the river and we won’t have much left behind.

I shove there because what river card would you like that wasn't a 4 or a 2?

So I don't like a shove here as it will eliminate V's ability to potentially bluff non-spade rivers and we don't want to take that away from him. So I would bet ~$215-$225 so you deny him proper odds to call with the FD's in his range and still leave some rope for him to use when he whiffs. If he CR/shoves, you obviously call.

If V were the whale, then the shove is mandatory as clearly he will call with anything.

I think this is the wrong way to think. We have a value hand on this board...size to get the most value from the hand.

I would just shove, betting any other size really doesnt make any sense

Wow, quite a contrast in the responses so far.

Betting large enough to make his call not profitable with the FD, but not shoving.

Yea shoving doesnt make sense because you can size just enough to induce a call and have an automatic decision on river.


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If we bet $205 we have a pot of over $700 otr with $185 behind... that’s poor planning somewhere along a street, and it’s not really otf and it cant be preflop.

If we’re bluffing with say A5ss we want to maximize fold equity and if we’re value betting we should for the same logic go for the max. We are pretty polarized here and it makes sense to just shove range here ott with only 1.3x pot behind.

If we had like $500+ back we can consider a std bet but once you bet 205+ you have less than $200 in your stack. You literally have 1/4 pot sized bet left, and you hate almost every river as well

If we complete blinds, or limp, with two small cards, we are usually not going to like any two pair (or even trips) that we stumble into if there is any sizable action, especially with relatively deep stacks.

Which is why many of us don't like completing the BB, or limping, with small cards.

There is other junk we can play that can put us in better situations than that.

It’s a 3 blind game (2/3/5).. consistently folding the SB and BTN in this game getting great odds seems like we’re just draining money in blinds.

42s <<< 43s <<<<<<<<< 54s

42s really isnt that playable even otb

If it's 2-3-5...5 handed....button acts 2nd pre...something off.

No it wasn’t 5-handed in the OP hand, only in the 69 hand.