I would call the river (whether $300 or $500) as I dont expect him to have that big of a hand after the weak turn bet.

$500 would put you all in if my math is correct. I agree with TFAN I don't think I could find a fold here with Villians weird line and your description of Villian.

dont jam flop. call call looks fine, especially if you thought he had enough 1p to make jamming the flop good. id mostly call bc i was curious and his line is pretty weird

i have to say though that i agree w/ everything ATsai was saying, and you are missing a lot in the cbetting discussion, which is obv more important than this hh which is a super read based once in a blue moon situation. i think the biggest thing youre missing wrt to cbet size/frequency is range v range strength on the board, which i believe is one of the things ATsai was saying. i will also point out that your reason for not adjusting your cbet size is bc you want to be successful playing higher, but that you are ignoring the larger point which is that discussing/understanding the mechanics and theory of cbetting will actually help you become successful at higher levels in a more meaningful way.

I understand range vs range str on this board, does not favor the pfr. Which is why i feel when cbetting this flop the range should be fairly polarized. I understand that cbetting changes villians continuing range and often on this flop their preflop calling ranges will continue on this texture.

However none of this i see as an argument for betting less simply because we are at the bottom of our cbet range. If you are advocating for one to do that jdvs, im a little shocked.

Yes its great to bet 1/2 pot and hope villians havent connected at all and will just give up, that way we risk the minimum on our bluff.
But tougher opponents can and will float/bluffraise if they detect weakness, and even bad villians may peel off lighter with a gutshot or bottom pair that they may have folded to a slightly larger bet.

my comment was more general, and not so specific to this hand.

few things about what you said though:
-it would be difficult and not too helpful i think to be polarized on this flop, it isnt as much in favor of a caller as say a 789tt. also AQcc is not going to be part of a polarized betting strategy
-your point about opponents continuing with gutshots or bottom pair hands to a smaller bet is a good argument to size your cbet smaller here
-if you feel that tougher players will seek to exploit the range imbalances of your different betsizes that you use against weaker players, either re-exploit by making small bets w/ value heavy ranges or:
-you can have multiple balanced betsizes although it is more difficult and might not be that useful in many cases (or just balance w/ one betsize v tough players)

i am not specifically suggesting that you bet smaller when bluffing here or ever, but if you knew that your opponents were completely inelastic wrt betsizing, why would you not bluff small and valuebet big?

Because there's no guarantee to what V might do on the next hand. He might keep playing. He might leave. He might double up. He might lose it to another.

And no, this is not terrible reasoning, this is the best reasoning. It doesn't matter who you are up against. If you have a slight edge against your opponent and you have the proper bankroll, then you should take these odds every time. Anything else is -ev. To not take a 51/49 flip against anyone is a leak.

I can find a call otr expecting to see 45 or 56 or pair(tp)/fd given V's description. Against most other V's I'm folding given we are pretty much only beating bluffs after aggression on each street.

I think you played the hand fine OP. And I completely back the call otf if you had good knowledge that V would bet small ott to allow proper odds to keep drawing knowing that implied odds would grow significantly after the flop. Nicely played.

Betsize exploitably vs unknowns and bad players.
Betsize more balanced vs players that have seen you betsize exploitably. (or try to level)

There is no reason to try to be balanced in every spot.

you shouldve 3bet the flop to 430 all day

now i just shove. you cant be drawing dead and could be way ahead or slighlty ahead


yes you could be against a set or straight but given his line its not certain