V1 (650) is active, can bet his top pairs in multi way pots, can even semi-bluff (observed only 1 instance of this in a limped pot he semi bluffed a fd), will pay off a few streets if not all 3 streets with top pair.

V2 (550) is on his 3rd full buy-in, still keeping a game face on but can tell he's slightly tilted. Earlier in the game, he either turned his hand into a bluff or purely bluffed in a 200bb effective stack hand where he ran into a flopped set. He instantly announced "You're good" flop was AK3hhx

H (600) tight image pre, but aggro post. Clean image.

ep opens for 11, V1 calls, another call from mp, V2 from lp calls, H closes the action in bb with 98

F(55): JT7
H x, ep check, V1 30, fold, V2 130, Hero?

1) 300?
2) all-in?
3) they very risky just call?


edit: possible ranges for both
These aren't well thought out, just an fyi

(Equity, Win, Tie)
H: 64.34% 56.97% 15.09% [9c8c]
V1: 18.69% 14.63% 8.471% {TT, 77, AJs, AhTh, KJs, KhTh, QJs, QhTh, JTs, J7s, T7s, Ts9s, Th9h, Td9d, 98s, AJo}
V2: 16.96% 12.69% 8.891% {77, AJs, AhTh, KJs, KhTh, QJs, QhTh, JTs, J7s, T7s, Ts9s, Th9h, Td9d, 98s, AJo}

Board: [Jh Ts 7h ? ?]
Deal To: River
Dead Cards: {}

Jam AINEC. Calling is atrocious, and jamming puts more heart draws in your range than making it 300 does. Way too many turn cards kill our hand and/or our action.

Agreed. I actually think the continue ranges of both players here will be similar against a jam as they will to 300. So why make it 300 when we can jam? Get all the $ in while we have ethe vulnerable nuts and pray.

The more terrible our opponents are, the more I'm ok with preflop. I think against better opponents OOP and very multiway, that this hand will simply make far too many really good second best hands where we should almost never be comfortable shoving in much money. I mean obviously throwing another lol $8 at this point ain't a big mistake, but we have to be very careful it doesn't grow into a disaster postflop.

This multiway and against aggro players, I don't mind the check/raise attempt as much because the board is pretty drawy and we're looking to get in as many chips as possible as quickly as possible. Against more passive / chasey opponents I might lean towards just donking out.

As played, good questions, but I don't think we can lean to flatting simply because we are OOP; if we were in position then there is more reason to let everyone blow up the pot in front of us on the turn plus we can always guarantee a bet going in if they don't (although even this is debatable with the number of scare cards that could roll of). So I'm raising. I probably lean towards the conservative end of things and would shove after this show of strength.

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I kind of like the all in more than the 300 - I think villains may be more likely to view it as a combo draw rather than a straight. Although you'd also want to push them out with a set. Hmm anything other than flat call sounds good to me


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I probably lead this flop a good amount of the time.

Now jam.

Re: preflop: do you think we should be squeezing with this hand? 98s seems strong enough to call, why not squeeze something a little weaker like 96s?

+1

Meh, I think squeezing with speculative hands is overrated, but that might just be my overall conservative philosophy. Yeah, we'll take down some dead money pots more than our fair share, but the one time we get looked up and spew away our stack likely ain't gonna make up for that. If anything, squeezing is more for metagame in that we can be seen as the guy who doesn't just have KK+/AK or whatever and we'll get action when we want to.

All I'm saying with preflop is that 98s is going to make very few nutted hands (this is one of the rare cases it does). All other very good hands we can make (flushes, straights, trips, two pair, etc.) are all very vulnerable to being the second best hand, which is the worst hand you can make in poker. So just tread carefully, imo.

ETA: Basically, at one time I thought folding in these spots was just flat out horrible (I think I actually used the phrase "you'd have to pry these cards from my cold dead hands"). Now, especially if opponents aren't all mouth breathers, then it's not nearly as horrible as I once thought, and passing may be fine.

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I think the bolded has more to do with your image than your philosophy. Squeezing 98ss with a LAG style is very profitable if used with the correct frequency and dynamics.

I think squeezing in general live is very profitable since so many players don't know how to counter aggressive 3 betting. I just hate re-raising hands that have enough value to call with.

I’d much rather squeeze 74o or Kx than 98cc closing the action for 8 more dollars. This spot doesn’t warrant a squeeze.


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As played hero shipped. Just wanted to confirm if anyone thought about raising smaller.

As someone mentioned above, raising smaller vs all in sorta accomplishes the same thing. Any raise from me in his spot looks super strong so I figured why not go all in and make any FDs pay, I expected two pairs to come along tbh but v1 folded T9hh according to him and v2 folded top two.


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Solid outcome imo, denied them some pretty good equity


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Bad turn cards for your hand or killing your action - A, K, Q, J, T, 9, 8, 7, hearts. That's a lot of cards. All in.

Wow. I would have been snap called by both in my game, even with a tight image. Shove was definitely the way to go.

+1 (although 74o is getting a little carried away but I agree with the logic).

+2

I'm surprised a tilted player would fold top two there when there's tons of draws hero can have. Tilted players usually call, not fold.

Sometimes tilters go on "omg not again" tilt and enter hero fold mode.

Balance this with some semi-bluffs and you're in good shape. If they are folding two pair to this action, you can profitably jam like this with combo draws like OESD+FD or sometimes even OESD+BDFD's and the occasional gutter+FD.