Hero ($200)- just sat down, posted the bb.

Pre flop: utg +1 (about $130) limps, mp (about $80) raises to $6, co ($300) reraises to $16, hero in bb with AK calls(?), utg +1 and mp call.

Flop: ($66) K 8 6: hero checks (?), utg+1 bets $40, mp folds, co reraises to $100, hero folds (?)

This is the first hand I played, utg +1 female about early to mid 30s, co older male about 60ish. I chose to flat pre because if I 4b I'll more than likely have to end up getting it in and hope to be up against QQ, JJ or an unlikely AK. Flop I could have led but chose to check to see what co does but was surprised to see utg+1 lead and co reraise. I ended up folding. Thoughts on a 4b pf or lead flop. Does anyone shove flop after a raise and reraise?

yeah im 4b to $40 and hoping mp ships over the top, after that it really doesnt matter what CO does, calling is prolly the worst option.

buy in full
i 4bet to set a tone early in the session, plus open raiser and 3bet look incredibly weak; as played, i´m going broke in this spot. jamming over flop raise.

As played im jamming flop all day.

4 bet pre, calling there will cause utg+1 and mp to get good odds to call and you don't want to be playing AK in a 4 way pot oop. As for action on the flop, I would check raise all in there. If we think about the CO's range for 3 betting, it is unlikely he 3 bets with 88 or 66 (and even if he does, I highly doubt CO will ever raise on the flop with a set, assuming the flop is rainbow it is fairly dry). The only hand that really beats you here is AA or KK, every other possible hand CO could have (TT, JJ, QQ, Ax) you are beating.

Does anyone consider folding preflop here?

I was in a very similar situation when I recently played in an unfamiliar casino with a stupid 66bb max buy in, and early in the session rather readless this exact same situation arose; a raise, a reraise, and I'm sitting in the blinds with AKo. I folded.

I mean, it's a 3bet at 1/3 live, and in this case an older white male reraising a shortstacked girl. We honestly think we're doing all that great here? Until I get a better handle / reads on what is going on, I think folding is the best play.

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I do not 4bet pre-flop here. I just call. On the flop, it is either a chop or AA/KK for cutoff, right?

AA (3)
KK (1)
AK (6)

So 60% of the time you are chopping, losing the other 40%... I think a fold was the right move. As you will be investing $184 to chop up $106 dead..

0.4 * -$184 = ~-$75
0.6 * 1/2 of $106 = ~$31

-$40 EV if that is the CO's range... good fold.

this is a sick tight range. he 3bet a 6 open to 16, fully expecting this to get multiway. and you really still give him that tight of a range?
if he really plays AA this way, i would not put it behind him to play KQ this way. wouldnt be a bad play against the shorties. i´m more concerned with UTG+1 in this spot, but nearly not enough to fold.

folding is a very serious consideration considering most 60yo males I have played against, their range is usually QQ+ (if not KK+).

honestly, preflop is a very real 4-bet or fold scenario. you basically got the flop you wanted and still folded.

I like this a lot

It's just tough for me to care about a 3b to ~5bb in a cash game. I'm going to raise to $45ish and fold if I get shipped on by the old guy, probably just call it off vs the girl.

As played, fold flop once it gets raised. I understand treading lightly when new at a table, but I don't like how you played it. Fast playing this is also a good way to get a wild image even though it's a good play most of the time (I don't like the 60yo guy 3b though).

yes but to be fair if that's his range or even close to it we probably could have folded pre.

4 betting pre here is a bluff.

Range pre-flop and range after a raise on the flop are not the same thing...

(in fact, by the flop raise, this is AA for most 60 year olds. AK would call for those OMC types)

I agree with that but readless at 1/2 to a 3 bet from a 60 year old I don't call with AK.

I don't disagree.

When we make the raise, OMC is:
- shipping AA
- Sometimes shipping KK
- Sometimes flatting KK
- Sometimes giving speech and folding KK
- Occasionally flatting QQ
- Sometimes folding QQ
- Always folding everything else

Also sometimes getting the speech when he flats KK which is a nice bonus. First impressions in a game are hugely important. If you have an opportunity to develop a bad/spewy image in your first hand when you actually have a hand, I'll take it. Raising to $40 or so isn't that much money and I think the value of winning the hand and/or looking like a maniac balances it out. Just my opinion though.

weird spot, especially on the first hand.

preflop - I would treat the $6 as basically not a raise, it's completely meaningless to me. In my mind you are really just 3betting. Thus I would go $40, that feels like the perfect amount.

As played I just fold the flop. You invested $16 and have a bet and raise in front with top top. At best you chop so just surrender the $16. Sometimes you lose out on +$65 (half of the shorties money), but the times you are behind you dump your whole stack. Big downside, small upside = fold.