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2/2 semi bluff - too spewy? 2/2 semi bluff - too spewy?

03-24-2016 , 11:55 PM
2/2 private game. Super fishy table, a ton of limping and limp calling big bets, 3 bets being called in several spots and so on.

V1 Arab 40s, limp/calling every hand up to 6x. Seems very very bad. Has so far only folded post flop and not shown anything down. 140

V2 30s white guy, invited Hero to game. Plays poker professionally, at least 5 times a week, definitely a solid winning player. Respects Heros game and avoids him. Tends to get very spewy preflop when he is loosing. Down 200 after 2 suck outs. Maybe tilting. Stack 160.

Hero up 120, didn't show down any hand so far, playing TAG. 320

6 handed, Hero JT 10 UTG, V2 MP1 3! 20, BTN calls (irrelevant, >400), V1 calls in BB, Hero calls.

Flop 82
Q96
V1 checks, Hero checks, V2 bets 40, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero raises to 124.

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Is this bad considered V2 is maybe tilting? Are stacks too shallow?
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03-25-2016 , 12:05 AM
Vs are calling raises and 3!s light. This means you should be playing position and folding JT "but it was sooooooted" UTG, not raising with it.

V1 has a 70 BB stack
V2 has a 80 BB stack but is tilting

Both are shorty mid stacks.
Wait for a better spot.

AP - You say he is spewy preflop, but what about his play postflop once he is stuck?

Either way, unless you think you have some magical fold equity hiding in the couch cushions, you're going to get called and be drawing thin. The pot is massive and its only $80 more for both V's to call. I highly doubt you have that much equity.

Fold prelfop and there is no problem.

Last edited by Mr. Curious; 03-25-2016 at 12:06 AM. Reason: fixed typos so the typo police don't complain
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03-25-2016 , 01:28 AM
I don't mind raising with JTs to widen your range if you're playing TAG, especially against people you're playing with all the time. Against a table where it's super loose though I might be more inclined to play my position more and not play OOP against aggros. i feel as though you shouldn't be making these kind of "thinking" plays against these opponents.

I don't like the raise here only because you know you're going to get calls, especially considering that you basically said they call everything. You're drawing to an 8 or K with no 's. I probably fold to the 3! OOP and just pick a better spot, IMO

To answer your question, yes I consider this spew
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03-25-2016 , 03:57 AM
I don't mind raising JTs UTG, especially 6-handed. It's pretty much the same as opening it in MP 9-handed. It's the bottom of my UTG PFR range of course and when villains see it at SD,mthey know you don't always have super premiums UTG which can lead to future action when you have the goods.

With this hand, I would raise smaller. $8 feels right. Not folding to the minraise as played.

OTF I would just call because our outs aren't clean with the FD out there. 4:1 is a nice price and if I hit OTT I would shove. If I were to c/r, I would shove instead of making it 3x. You want maximum FE and shoving is the only way to achieve that with these stacks.

I wouldn't say your semi bluff was spewy...maybe just sub optimal.
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03-25-2016 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanAA44
I don't mind raising with JTs to widen your range if you're playing TAG, especially against people you're playing with all the time. Against a table where it's super loose though I might be more inclined to play my position more and not play OOP against aggros. i feel as though you shouldn't be making these kind of "thinking" plays against these opponents.

I don't like the raise here only because you know you're going to get calls, especially considering that you basically said they call everything. You're drawing to an 8 or K with no 's. I probably fold to the 3! OOP and just pick a better spot, IMO

To answer your question, yes I consider this spew
I'd consider anyone folding JTss pre getting 7 to 1 spewy as well.
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03-25-2016 , 05:03 AM
Villain has 3bet pre, put 40% of his stack in, bet out on a wet flop vs 3 opponents, one of which is a calling station. He is likely to have AQ+ and very unlikely to fold, specially if he is tilting.

Just call the 40 and fold on unimproved turns. V2 might slow down ott after getting called in two spots anyway.

Pre is obviously fine.
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03-25-2016 , 09:07 AM
I agree with a lot what was said, yet I feel preflop this is a hand we want to play. Maybe limping and calling is even better since it will likely be multiway and we want to make money off people not being able to lay down third best hands.

Post flop, as you said, calling is way better.
I don't know why I thought there is enough FE. I knew that when V2 is on his game, he definitely folds TP there against me and since V1 had done nothing but call pre and fold post I felt this was a good spot, but didn't really look at stack sizes.
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03-25-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
I'd consider anyone folding JTss pre getting 7 to 1 spewy as well.
I'm just considering stack sizes, position and the fact he's essentially taken control of the hand now. Say we raise pre and everyone just calls, the pot isn't bloated and we still have control...kinda.
I guess against fishy players (which we are playing with) calling isn't a terrible play... But if these players are more inclined to just limp and limp call raises but now they're raising (it's a min raise but fish don't know how to raise properly) I would just proceed with my eyebrows raised a bit.

So ya, I would raise and call pre flop but not do much if anything on flop.
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